Fire caulking

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Pierre C Belarge

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In most single family dwellings, fire caulking is not required for most of the building. The walls/ceilings of the garage, common to the dwelling and the boiler room are 2 areas of a dwelling that I can think of that require fire caulking. Most other locations will require some form of "draft stopping". Take a look at the two different areas of the building code that show the requirements.

I have heard of talk that companies will develop that specifically do this type of work, similar to insulating companies.
 
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dingokangaroo

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dingokangaroo said:
Has anyone heard of fire caulk certification?????? was talking with a friend who says that one must be certified now to fire caulk. I have never heard of this until now and need to find out if it is true. thanks.
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ok...what im trying to say here is that someone told me that if I am going to fire caulk something I must now be certified. this is the first i have heard of such a thing....has anyone else heard this??
 
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No, it is true. Just use a UL assembly to match the wall, ceiling, or floor design type, this design will be listed on the drawings.

(edit: see post # 12 :sad:)

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I assume you are reffering to the 3M or something of the like red fire caulk. Some government jobs I know of have required someone be certified to do it but that was just something they wanted in the specs. I am not aware of it being a standard requirement.
 
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Pierre and Dingo, in short, if you do not match the fire caulking assembly to the UL wall design you have wasted your time and material.

A one hour fire caulk installation in a two hour wall doesn't do much does it?

If the wall is not a UL rated design, there is no need to spend much time worrying about it much less be certified.

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dingokangaroo

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roger said:
Pierre and Dingo, in short, if you do not match the fire caulking assembly to the UL wall design you have wasted your time and material.

A one hour fire caulk installation in a two hour wall doesn't do much does it?

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this i understand roger. its just that i have never had to be certified to fire cualk my own holes....i just do it to specs. now someone has told me that i must hold certification to fire caulk anything.....thats getting a bit out of line. SPEND MORE MONEY is what its telling me..lol
 
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dingokangaroo said:
i just do it to specs. now someone has told me that i must hold certification to fire caulk anything.....thats getting a bit out of line. SPEND MORE MONEY is what its telling me..lol
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Was the person telling you this starting a Fire Caulking Business by any chance? ;) :D

Roger
 
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no. That would have explained it but from what he tells me anyone that fire caulks now will have to be certified. Boy I sure hope he is wrong. I've enough certifications now. my wallets going to look like a book with all the cert. cards in it...lol
 
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Pierre and Dingo, I think I see the confusion, I need to clarify my first post, (poor proof reading on my part) it should have read;

"No, it is NOT true" I left out the most important word of the whole statement. Doh!!!!!

Who is going to do the certifying anyways, a manufacturer?

Roger
 
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realolman said:
A state representative's brother in law.
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That may very well be true. ;)

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Maybe this is what they meant: An example of "certification" at http://www.karcherfirestopping.com/profile.php

# FM 4991 Firestop Specialty Contractor

# Hilti Firestop Specialty Contractor (FSC)

# Certified Firestop Installer by:
Hilti
3M
SpecSeal
Nelson Tremco
Metacaulk
WR Grace
Passive Fire Protection Partners

# Certified Grease Duct Wrap Installer by:
3M
Thermal Ceramics
Unifrax
ETS Schaefer
Vesuvius

# Certified Expansion Joint Installer by:
Watson Bowman Acme
Balco Inc.
C/S Products
 
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dingokangaroo

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was informed today that new standard of fire caulk certification is to start Jan. 2007. state by state. Luisianna is first on list. took the certification tests today. word is that improper fire caulking will now be a felony charge if done purposely. hence certification. this is becoming a money scam if you ask me. NFPA is backing this.
 
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RayS

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dingokangaroo said:
was informed today that new standard of fire caulk certification is to start Jan. 2007. state by state. Luisianna is first on list. took the certification tests today. word is that improper fire caulking will now be a felony charge if done purposely. hence certification. this is becoming a money scam if you ask me. NFPA is backing this.
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how was the test? and the rest of the cert. process?

Just to add my 2 cents, I think the building codes should emphasize more passive fire protections like this. It's simple, effective, and permanent. Now, when the next man in leaves a hole big enough to crawl thru, it kinda defeats the purpose...
 
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