Fire Marshall or Electric inspector??

[William1978]

Around here the electricial inspector doesn't look at anything in the elevator shaft or the elevator equip. room the elevator inspector look at those locations.

 

[luckyshadow]

Here in Maryland- the State Elevator Inspector has ALL the authority over the Elevator machine room and the Elevator shaft.
We he/she says is what happens,they overide the Fire Marshall and The Electical Inspector.
When I was in the field and did F/A's I had Fire Marshalls that would not even look at those 2 items. The Electrical Inspector would look at the NEC requirements and to see if there were any nEC violations. The Elevator Inspector had the final say.
Heats and smokes in the pit and or shaft depends on if it was sprinklered. If it was The heats and smokes were(are still?) required to be with in 18" of the head. Here was the kicker- In the pit anything below 48" from the pit floor must be watertight. WP boxes,compression fittings,weatherproof lights. If the sprinkler head was 6" off the floor and I was 18" above that I was still inside the 48". There is no such animal as a sealed smoke,so I couldn't put them there regardless.
I would get in touch with the Elevator Inspector for a list of requirements. You may be able to obtain the check list from the elevator installers also

 

[jrannis]

Who has final say Fire marshall wants one thing but inspector said he would fail me if I did it??

Its hard to believe that you are wiring a building with the first and only elevator in town.

Sometimes it comes down to who just came back from a CE class and is out to clean up the town.

 

[dcspector]

Around here the electricial inspector doesn't look at anything in the elevator shaft or the elevator equip. room the elevator inspector look at those locations.

Here in DC I inspect all that is covered per article 620. That includes Pits, Machine rooms, Control Rooms machineless rooms plus I enfore ASME17.1 as well. Our Elevator Inspector and I have sorta a tag team relationship.

 

[dcspector]

Here in Maryland- the State Elevator Inspector has ALL the authority over the Elevator machine room and the Elevator shaft.
We he/she says is what happens,they overide the Fire Marshall and The Electical Inspector.
When I was in the field and did F/A's I had Fire Marshalls that would not even look at those 2 items. The Electrical Inspector would look at the NEC requirements and to see if there were any nEC violations. The Elevator Inspector had the final say.
Heats and smokes in the pit and or shaft depends on if it was sprinklered. If it was The heats and smokes were(are still?) required to be with in 18" of the head. Here was the kicker- In the pit anything below 48" from the pit floor must be watertight. WP boxes,compression fittings,weatherproof lights. If the sprinkler head was 6" off the floor and I was 18" above that I was still inside the 48". There is no such animal as a sealed smoke,so I couldn't put them there regardless.
I would get in touch with the Elevator Inspector for a list of requirements. You may be able to obtain the check list from the elevator installers also

Agreed........

 

[RICK NAPIER]

Here in NJ we are governed by the Uniform Construction Code that states specifically who is responsable for each adopted code section. We also have a Fire Subcode Official that is part of the building department and seperate from a Fire Official. This helps remove the confussion and the Fire Official generally does not have authority until after construction.

 

[earlydean]

You could ask for the code reference. Usually, when this is done the conflict disappears.

 

[iMuse97]

You could ask for the code reference. Usually, when this is done the conflict disappears.

in my experience, an inspector always gives a code reference, and must do so, if they are requiring something.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

You could ask for the code reference. Usually, when this is done the conflict disappears.

It is kind of sad/scary/stupid/unbelieveable, yet true.

 

[cowboyjwc]

We just had the FD tell a builder that he was required to have an exit sign on a door. We got involved and told the FD inspector that it was not a compliant exit and he said he didn't care, we told him that if an emergency happened and someone in a wheel chair went out that door and the farthest they could from the building was the landing, he would care then.

There's no exit sign on that door.

We also defer elevators to the state here, though the state inspectors can be a bigger pain in the behind than the FD inspectors.:smile: