First time generator and ATS hookup

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nickelec

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I'll be going to start getting my materials together to do this generator. You guys were alot of help I have some issue understand the AC load shedding and how to wire it anyone care to explain a little more in depth on how to wire to the module inside the Ats and the smm, do I need both or just one.?

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kwired

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I'll be going to start getting my materials together to do this generator. You guys were alot of help I have some issue understand the AC load shedding and how to wire it anyone care to explain a little more in depth on how to wire to the module inside the Ats and the smm, do I need both or just one.?

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The module inside the ATS is nothing more then dry contacts that are controlled by load conditions. You don't necessarily even need to use their relay components if you didn't want to, something like RIB (relay in a box) could be about as easily used. All you are running to the load shed terminals is 24 volt control circuits to a relay that controls the load to be shed. Many HVAC loads are simple and don't require the relay module because they already have 24 volt control circuitry, you just extend this control circuit to the load shed terminals of the ATS.
 

nickelec

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So basically all I need to do is run an 18/2 from either the thermostat or the condenser to break the 24 volts

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nickelec

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If I'm understanding correctly those terminals are normaly closed and under laodshed conditions would open up and shut down the unit/units

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nickelec

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So my 18/2 would got to load 1 or load 2 etc etc what about the load supply terminals?

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kwired

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So my 18/2 would got to load 1 or load 2 etc etc what about the load supply terminals?

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I might have been a little wrong before, AC1 and AC2 I are terminals to NC contacts the others I believe their intention is to install a 24VAC transformer within the ATS, and tie the output of it to the load supply terminals. You then have 24 VAC (L1 and L2) on each "load 1-4 output terminals to run to a 24 volt relay to control the desired load. Design should still be NC contact - so that the load runs when control module is in state of rest - which it should be at all times when generator isn't running.
 

nickelec

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Understood so my 24 volt from either the thermostat or the condenser goes to AC1 or ac2 I don't need to wire the 240 to the Ats at all if I'm understanding correctly thank you again for all the input

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nickelec

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I'm a bit confused on how the ATS monitors the air conditioning load was just a 24 volt circuit

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Knuckle Dragger

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I would break the common to the T-stat.
Typically the 24 volts to the condenser just powers the coil to the relay to the condenser when the T-stat is calling. So your air handler could run and your condenser won't.
I'm not sure about heatpumps though.
 

kwired

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I would break the common to the T-stat.
Typically the 24 volts to the condenser just powers the coil to the relay to the condenser when the T-stat is calling. So your air handler could run and your condenser won't.
I'm not sure about heatpumps though.
Might depend on whether you want back up heat to be able to run or not, if other then electric heat. Same for gas furnace - interrupting thermostat common wouldn't allow heat to run, just interrupting AC contactor - only prevents compressor from running.
 

kwired

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I'm a bit confused on how the ATS monitors the air conditioning load was just a 24 volt circuit

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It doesn't monitor AC load. Was already mentioned earlier - it monitors total generator load and when it gets too high it starts to shed loads. This way loads that are not connected to shedding module are by default given priority, the controlled loads are only allowed to run when the total load is low enough to let them run. There are delays and other schemes to turn them back on when total load is reduced again.
 

brantmacga

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ETA: They can be installed anywhere you can intercept the circuit. At the panel seems most convenient, but they can be installed next to the device as well. The case is NEMA 3R and there are 1/2" KO's.

If the panel is somewhat hidden out of sight in a garage or utility room, that’s where I install them.

What I do is cut out the drywall above the panel about 10” high and span across the studs, and I fill that gap with a piece of 1/2” plywood (get the small 2x4 sheets at HD or Lowe’s) and mount the SMM’s on top of that. I drill KO’s in the back of the SMM to bring the wiring in and out.

And yes there is a priority dial inside each unit to set it.

Nick sounds like you got it figured out.


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Knuckle Dragger

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Might depend on whether you want back up heat to be able to run or not, if other then electric heat. Same for gas furnace - interrupting thermostat common wouldn't allow heat to run, just interrupting AC contactor - only prevents compressor from running.
Good point.
I just had air conditioner only in mind.
There are many factors to take into consideration when we don't know all the particulars.
 

kwired

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Good point.
I just had air conditioner only in mind.
There are many factors to take into consideration when we don't know all the particulars.
For that matter if one has a heat pump with electric backup heat you could easily connect the "W" lead through one of the A/C load shed circuits and it would cut off the electric heat. If generator isn't large enough to run the back up heat at all, you maybe somehow set it up to always shed the heat circuit whenever on standby power. Simplest is to just not feed the heat circuit out of the panel the ATS supplies if there is only one panel supplied by the standby system, but there are other ways if only one panel is being supplied.
 

nickelec

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