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Chris, I know you put up all the Articles I believe you should first go on the two foot rule of wall space, (burned on the last inspection over this) then because its a Bedroom consisting of a blade wall then yes its part of the room, run them. I beleive Dennis said that...

I'd call you Local AHJ dude and ask them. If you said thats why your doing this then please excuse me, I missed it, or that others that might have referenced the same!
 
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cadpoint said:
I'd call you Local AHJ dude and ask them.
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My inspector will be on site tomorrow for an underground inspection. I'll walk him through.

There is a chance I can install 20 floor boxes without the office noticing, but if they do, the owner of our company will not read 210.52, he will just say they are not required because no one will ever want to plug anything in there. Butting heads with this gentleman on code issues has grown tiresome.
 
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My inspector will be on site tomorrow for an underground inspection. I'll walk him through.

There is a chance I can install 20 floor boxes without the office noticing, but if they do, the owner of our company will not read 210.52, he will just say they are not required because no one will ever want to plug anything in there. Butting heads with this gentleman on code issues has grown tiresome.
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Ya that is the way it goes some times. I would be looking for as inexpensive a floor receptacle as I could buy because 20 @ $28.00 ea is a little hard to over look, The question I have is if they are not on the plan why are YOU paying for them ? At a minimum the cost should be split ( they pay for the material cost and you install them at no profit.)
If the inspector lets you get by without installing them GET A SIGNATURE on that, I got hosed by an inspector saying lighted house numbers were not required, then we could not get a C.O. without lighted house numbers.
 
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as every one says you may need the recps. but it is not your company shouldn't the owner be allowed to decide either way because it his money on the line. if i were the EC and you brought it to the inspector before me i would be upset as to me you are creating issues. If I were in that situation i would bury whips in the sub floor where if the inspector called me on it I could cut them in later. and if he didn't I didn't waste the bosses money
 
thetacon said:
as every one says you may need the recps. but it is not your company shouldn't the owner be allowed to decide either way because it his money on the line. if i were the EC and you brought it to the inspector before me i would be upset as to me you are creating issues. If I were in that situation i would bury whips in the sub floor where if the inspector called me on it I could cut them in later. and if he didn't I didn't waste the bosses money
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This is not the way to handle not complying with the NEC. If one does not know that he is not complying, that is one thing. But for a person to know and expect the inspector not to know, so one does not comply that is just outright very wrong!!!!
 
thetacon said:
as every one says you may need the recps. but it is not your company shouldn't the owner be allowed to decide either way because it his money on the line. if i were the EC and you brought it to the inspector before me i would be upset as to me you are creating issues. If I were in that situation i would bury whips in the sub floor where if the inspector called me on it I could cut them in later. and if he didn't I didn't waste the bosses money
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As an employee, your employer does not have the right to decide if you are to install violations. That is up to the individual who is making the installation.
 
as the people have posted in some areas they would be put in and others they would not so I merely offered a practical solution that would satisify either out come. my main point is that it is the owners call not the employee,
 
If Chris, as an employee bid this job, and missed those outlets, I think he has every right to try to slide this one in under the radar and still stay within budget.

If the bossman bid the job and missed it, he should be thankful he has a guy like Chris he can trust to catch this before he fails the inspection and has to come back and add them in anyway.

85% of electricians probably wouldn't look past the prints and simply not put them in or think anything of it.
 
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but it is not your company shouldn't the owner be allowed to decide either way because it his money on the line. if i were the EC and you brought it to the inspector before me i would be upset as to me you are creating issues.
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Part of my job as a Project Manager is to handle these issues without bothering the office in as cost effective manner as possible.

If I were in that situation i would bury whips in the sub floor where if the inspector called me on it I could cut them in later.
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Is this safe and code compliant?:confused:
 
thetacon said:
as the people have posted in some areas they would be put in and others they would not so I merely offered a practical solution that would satisify either out come. my main point is that it is the owners call not the employee,
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I disagree. While under the employ of an EC, it is not the employers decision to decide if one should purposely install a violation. That is the employee's decision.
 
if the whips are not connected at either end the it is legal.

I agree that it is a good thing that he caught it and it should be brought th the contractors attention but i still say at the end of the day it is the contractor who should make the call on it , where there are differing opinions on if they are required or not.
 
thetacon said:
if the whips are not connected at either end the it is legal.

I agree that it is a good thing that he caught it and it should be brought th the contractors attention but i still say at the end of the day it is the contractor who should make the call on it , where there are differing opinions on if they are required or not.
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You know I will do my best to get an extra for this. The problem is, when these plan were bid, there is an annoying little note at the top of the EE's general notes that states:

'Installation shall comply with the currently recognized edition of the NEC'.
 
thetacon said:
if the whips are not connected at either end the it is legal.

I agree that it is a good thing that he caught it and it should be brought th the contractors attention but i still say at the end of the day it is the contractor who should make the call on it , where there are differing opinions on if they are required or not.
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If your employer was to tell you to install a violation, are you saying you would go ahead and do so?
 
after reading the thread there is no definitive answer whether it is a violation. so i would leave it up to my boss.
 
chris kennedy said:
You know I will do my best to get an extra for this. The problem is, when these plan were bid, there is an annoying little note at the top of the EE's general notes that states:

'Installation shall comply with the currently recognized edition of the NEC'.
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Thats when you say "everything that is on the plans does or will meet code." and then ask if the architect or designer has "errors and omissions" insurance.
 
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