fooey. now i gotta think.....

[Fulthrotl]

and not hurt either myself or my wallet in the process.

i don't bid much residential electrical. ended up with a house
in the harbor today, a scrape off, with a dock out back, and
a flooded backyard...

here's the particulars:

4,000 s.f.
200 amp service
5 stainless steel ground rods, spaced around the house perimeter
cadwelded to a #2 copper GEC
130 plugs, 30 of them AFCI, 28 of them GFCI
80 can lights halo h 270
7 bath combo light and fan
15 ceiling boxes, for future ceiling fans
67 switches, 20 of them 3 ways
tv, phone, data, etc yet to be determined
no A/C
no swimming pool.... yet....

my labor rate is $75 an hour

so, do you guys do it by the sq ft, counting devices,
taking off material and guessing, or what? rolling the print
for wire length?

rough and trim, i'm guessing, allowing for the fussy
upper income house nuisance surcharge, 100 hours.
shoot, trimming those can lights with led modules,
which i suspect is what we will end up with instead
of CF can lights, will take 12 hours at one per 10 minutes.
total construction time is planned for a year.

the lot it's sitting on is worth about 3.5 million.
on today's market. it's sitting empty. it'll be the
owners weekend house.

so, gentlemen, what do you think? what kind of a number
would you throw on this one?

thanks for feedback...

randy

 

[mdshunk]

.6% of 3.5mil is $21,000

What do you think the house and lot together will be worth?

 

[Fulthrotl]

.6% of 3.5mil is $21,000

What do you think the house and lot together will be worth?

4.3 ~ 4.5.... there's stuff on that island to 12m.

 

[mdshunk]

.6% of 4.5 mil is $27,000. There's your minimum install. It's all plan takeoff if you want something accurate.

 

[NolaTigaBait]

.6% of 4.5 mil is $27,000. There's your minimum install. It's all plan takeoff if you want something accurate.

where did you get .6?

 

[peter d]

my labor rate is $75 an hour

Really? In the famous/infamous O.C.? I would expect double or more for an area where we get riveting MTV claptrap like "The Hills" and "Laguna Beach."

 

[mdshunk]

where did you get .6?

Keeping history.

 

[NolaTigaBait]

Keeping history.

did i miss something?

 

[peter d]

Keeping history.

Do enlighten me as well, because isn't that a rather inaccurate way to determine a price? Even a baseline price?

 

[satcom]

Anywhere from 39K to 70K with the overcast the stars are hard to read tonight, some of the actuals i looked at, for rhat size home, are in that price range, we have a lot of EC's that just guess, they want to see how much money they can loose, in a short time.

 

[brantmacga]

down here, that job would probably run just under $20k minus the dock, and that's basic devices, can trims, etc. . .

i'm sure your ceilings are higher than 9' in that house, so that'll raise the price even more. probably a couple thousand or more.

no way to know for sure w/o doing a take-off

 

[wireguru]

upsell..upsell...upsell..

good catv/sat/data/phone package. CCTV cameras, etc

 

[ramsy]

Really? In the famous/infamous O.C.? I would expect double..

$100 per outlet/fixture +50 outlets for good measure is $35,000, perhaps add material to that.
Working alone, proving credit & insurances with the owner may be the best asset here.

LA and O.C. bid's are usually based on undocumented labor. None of my EC employers get much beyond service calls anymore. CA EC's must bid with certified labor, and are losing to GC's who don't require CA-certified electricians.

I lost a large property manager who replaced me with a foreign laborer. Now I'm just his private inspector, on occasion. I'm lucky to get residential service calls anymore in the OC.

 

[jrannis]

$100 per outlet/fixture +50 outlets for good measure is $35,000, perhaps add material to that.
Working alone, proving credit & insurances with the owner may be the best asset here.

LA and O.C. bid's are usually based on undocumented labor. None of my EC employers get much beyond service calls anymore. CA EC's must bid with certified labor, and are losing to GC's who don't require CA-certified electricians.

I lost a large property manager who replaced me with a foreign laborer. Now I'm just his private inspector, on occasion. I'm lucky to get residential service calls anymore in the OC.

Total authorized labor and material cost must be under $500 per project.

Is the HO pulling the electrical permit?

Unless you finally got your C-10, you might not want to be the one casting the stones at the illegals.:roll:

 

[Fulthrotl]

CA EC's must bid with certified labor, and are losing to GC's who don't require CA-certified electricians.

that is interesting, isn't it... if i am a c-10, i have to hire a state
licensed electrician, but if i am a b-1, i can hire anyone i want...

somebody went politician shopping again.

they passed the law to make the unions happy, and made
it inapplicable in much of the work done.

"GOVERNMENT - if you think our problems are bad, wait till you
see our solutions"

 

[ramsy]

Unless you finally got your C-10, you might not want to be the one casting the stones at the illegals.:roll:

jrannis, take a page from Fulthrotl; ..if you think our problems are bad, wait till you see our solutions".

States like mine have a license category called the "Salesman" License. If these "Salesman" bid & sell projects with another contractor's license, this "Salesman" doesn't even count as an employee for worker's comp. purposes.

The chosen license (say EC) may prefer to pay salesman commission, or the "Salesman" may choose a GC license, and do large projects under that license. Certified JW's can defect from corporate scum, for any willing GC license of choice. Institutionalized unemployment will not stand, not when the State can help it.

Like the Judeo Christian purgatory, JW's on unemployment can work, either without a contract under $500, or by complying with all licensed-contract laws, as a "Salesman license." Don't like it, then don't give your JW's a reason.

 

[sgr1]

I would want to do a load calculation on the house first. It might need a 400A service. I have a house now that is 3500sqft with a pool that should of had one that I'm upgrading from a 200A.

 

[celtic]

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here's the particulars:

4,000 s.f.
200 amp service
5 stainless steel ground rods, spaced around the house perimeter
cadwelded to a #2 copper GEC
130 plugs, 30 of them AFCI, 28 of them GFCI
80 can lights halo h 270
7 bath combo light and fan
15 ceiling boxes, for future ceiling fans
67 switches, 20 of them 3 ways
tv, phone, data, etc yet to be determined
no A/C
no swimming pool.... yet....

my labor rate is $75 an hour

allowing for the fussy
upper income house nuisance surcharge, 100 hours.

Randy...
barring items in red, and allowing a 1.15% PITA factor:
$40,770.09
230.11 manhours on the rough
94.89 manhours on the finish
[325 total manhours]
Appx. $10.19/sq.ft


You might want to look at your rough hours again.....

 

[Fulthrotl]

Really? In the famous/infamous O.C.? I would expect double or more for an area where we get riveting MTV claptrap like "The Hills" and "Laguna Beach."

nope. that's right in the middle.
i'm at the 50th percentile.

there is a huge amount of enriques, pablo's, and so forth in this area.
licensed? nope? insurance? nope. cheap. yep.

keeps the prices down.

it's ok tho... we make up for it by paying 50 cents more a gallon
for gas, and three times as much for houses.... so it all evens out.
any extra money is absorbed by the highest state tax, except possibly
mass. not sure on that one.

on new years day however, it'll be 70 degrees, not 11 degrees......

 

[Fulthrotl]

Randy...
barring items in red, and allowing a 1.15% PITA factor:
$40,770.09
230.11 manhours on the rough
94.89 manhours on the finish
[325 total manhours]
Appx. $10.19/sq.ft
You might want to look at your rough hours again.....

yep... i bounced this off three local sparkies as well....
we look at each others logic, and i haven't done ground up
residential in a while, they have.

so the five local prices i had were......

19,500 (mine. duh. dummy. duh. nevermind...)
21,000
21,400
21,750
34,800

it's a tough market here. 21,400 looks about right
for the area, and the time. people are cutting their
prices as we speak.

of course, there is still home theatre, security, phone,
data, pool, and a host of extras.... $21.5 is a good
starting point......

found out i can get 5 watt led drivers from halo for
$95 each with trim. i sense an 80 can light upgrade.
everybody hates neon Popsicle sticks for lights