For the romex haters

[wireguru]

As for the first series of pics, I nearly blew chunks. Never have I seen such a throw-up of NM...and dedicated circuits or not, it would be interesting to get some thermal imaging of those trays to see the heat build-up, if any.

I wonder what the arc flash withstand of that cardboard is? :roll:

If I were to walk into this mess, two phone calls would take place: one to the fire marshal and the other to the Building and Safety dept.

are those breakers even FOR that gear? The breakers look jerry rigged into it. Look how the one on the left is all crooked.

 

[76nemo]

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Still hate NM work?

 

[alfiesauce]

Still hate NM work?

what the Sam are all those boxes for and where are your straps?

 

[76nemo]

what the Sam are all those boxes for and where are your straps?

Look at the boxes, who said the work was done????

 

[76nemo]

what the Sam are all those boxes for and where are your straps?

Dimming, and fan control for the show floor.

 

[480sparky]

Still hate NM work?

I'm gonna vote 600w dimmers in a restaurant.

 

[76nemo]

I'm gonna vote 600w dimmers in a restaurant.

Slash canoe/kayak rental shop:wink:

 

[480sparky]

Slash canoe/kayak rental shop:wink:

I've never known retail to use manual dimmers. If they use dimmers at all, their a dimming panel that's automatic.

 

[76nemo]

I've never known retail to use manual dimmers. If they use dimmers at all, their a dimming panel that's automatic.

For the most part it was nothing more than just a recreational shop for the paddling interested. Every once in awhile he would have serious outfitters come in and look for what you may call "promising display", so I set up the floor for "show" display. He could highlight different displays depending on what he was trying to showboat, and it has worked well for him.

 

[e57]

what the Sam are all those boxes for and where are your straps?

You forgot the Gscrews...

I've never known retail to use manual dimmers. If they use dimmers at all, their a dimming panel that's automatic.

Not all retail is of the 'Head Office in Atlanta' type - with solid standardized specification used on the last 300 stores they opened. There are (thankfully - IMO) a lot of Mom-N-Pop's out there - where the Specifier is Mom or Pop...

 

[quogueelectric]

I have no idea what those would be.:-?

Marshaling cabinets are the cabinets like say in a powerplant where all of the cables attatch to the main computer system. The newer ones change the electrical signals to optic signals within the cabinets so a problem with the electrical system does not create a problem with the fiberoptic system as far as input/output. The whole plant could blow up and not effect the main computer optic control system. It just isolates the input andoutput cables on the plants operation. It kind of has a little military flare which you will notice more of working in a sensitive port area. Marshalling or muster cabinets are what they are called depending on the service branch you are associated with. There are the mib knocking on my door now gotta go. When the window washing company looks like a scene in the bourne identity you gotta say to yourself that is not a normal window washer with all the rappelling gear. 6foot4 240 lbs and totally ripped like a soldier of fortune is not the usual window washer I encounter. Edit to say the entire cabling system connects to this point and it can either lookgood or really really bad depending on the experience of your help.

 

[weressl]

It was and it is in service.

Doesn't 334.12(A)(2) prohibits that? (The installation does not resemble a single or multifamily dwelling.)

Was the cable labeleld as per 334.10(4) or is that not applicable to this installation?

 

[peter d]

OK Bob, time to play devil's advocate. You know the extreme duress under which these stores are remodeled. I'm not justifying this hack work, but I'd be hard pressed to see it turn out any other way based on the time and money limitations involved. I've only done service work in a handful of these stores and they all look like that above the ceiling. As you said, the over-engineering is probably why they remain trouble free.

 

[iwire]

Doesn't 334.12(A)(2) prohibits that? (The installation does not resemble a single or multifamily dwelling.)

Was the cable labeleld as per 334.10(4) or is that not applicable to this installation?

I am sure there is a laundry list of violations we could cite.

OK Bob, time to play devil's advocate.

OK, but your missing the horns and tail.

You know the extreme duress under which these stores are remodeled.

That is a fact, this job essentially rebuilt the entire existing store while it was open. Likely done with two shifts of workers from all trades. Parts of the roof where removed, new steel brought in, entirely new look. I would say 95% of the circuits where eventually relocated.

I'm not justifying this hack work, but I'd be hard pressed to see it turn out any other way based on the time and money limitations involved.

I have to disagree, there is supposed to be an inspection process to stop something like this.

I've only done service work in a handful of these stores and they all look like that above the ceiling.

Can't agree here either, none of them will be on the cover of EC&M but I have not seen any others like this one.

 

[weressl]

I am sure there is a laundry list of violations we could cite.

I was racked over thos coals a number of times on the claim that 'this is a Code forum'.

It is unclear from the discourse if this installation is a good example for Code compliance to follow or represents a practice that should be avoided.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Doesn't 334.12(A)(2) prohibits that? (The installation does not resemble a single or multifamily dwelling.)

That rule did not appear until the 2002 code, Bob indicated that this may have been built under the 1999 code.

Was the cable labeleld as per 334.10(4) or is that not applicable to this installation?

Most NM is so marked.

 

[peter d]

I have to disagree, there is supposed to be an inspection process to stop something like this.

True, but this is proof positive of a system that fails to do its job from time to time. Either that, or the inspector knew full well of the violations and just didn't care to make a fuss about it. Who knows?

Can't agree here either, none of them will be on the cover of EC&M but I have not seen any others like this one.

OK, but this looks like the handiwork of a certain company based near a falling river, if you catch my drift.

 

[iwire]

OK, but this looks like the handiwork of a certain company based near a falling river, if you catch my drift.

I can't remember who, I remember reading the name on their gang box but it escapes me now. I think I might have left them a note about what a wonderful job they where doing.

 

[weressl]

That rule did not appear until the 2002 code, Bob indicated that this may have been built under the 1999 code.

Most NM is so marked.

Southwire isn't, Cerro isn't, Phelps-Dodge isn't

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Southwire isn't, Cerro isn't, Phelps-Dodge isn't

I did a spot check of the temporary wiring where I am and it is marked "cable tray". I don't know the brand. I have also seen the NM in the local big boxes so marked, but I guess it isn't most as I stated, because the brands you named are not so marked.