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peter d said:
Why is it that just above every apartment built in U.S. in the 70's and 80's has an 8-circuit panel that looks just like that?
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Because apartment managers don't want to spend the rent money on (proper) repairs. It's better spent on the boat payment instead.

For a case study, go here.
 
peter d said:
Why is it that just above every apartment built in U.S. in the 70's and 80's has an 8-circuit panel that looks just like that?
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We could probably pin a pretty good date on that panel judging from the fact that it has the old-style "upside down" row of breakers, uses TW wire, and has very odd ITE tandems (which I think were only made that particular way for a short period). I just don't know what that date might be, but I think there's enough clues in that pic for a savvy old-timer to nail it pretty close.
 
mdshunk said:
Just helping you out, pappy. :D
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Thanks, Junior. Now, where did I put my glasses, suspenders, belt, hearing aid and teeth?

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What were we talking about again?

Who are you?​
 
Bunch of comedians here tonight.

ITE panel early 60's. One in a closet the other in a bathroom. Homeade panel covers with about 1" gaps.

Double tapped 1 pole 30 challenger, 2 pole QP, 2 pole ITE, twin 20 ITE.

New 2 pole QP's fit. Twin QP/MP did not fit. They wouldn't slide under the clip that holds them in place. Cutler hammer twins fit nicely. Were they listed? I don't know. They had a bunch of other letters on them besides BR :grin:

Lots of yellow wire on that job. Half the time I couldn't tell white from yellow.


Why is it that just above every apartment built in U.S. in the 70's and 80's has an 8-circuit panel that looks just like that?
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70's and 80's?????

They must have been using recycled stock in you backwoods town. This stuff is pure 60's
 
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480sparky said:
Because apartment managers don't want to spend the rent money on (proper) repairs.
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I'm just trying to put myself back in that time period. Nowadays most of us would never install a panel like that for anything other than a tool shed or garage...back then they were the norm. It's funny to see how we've (slightly) evolved as a trade. :D
 
peter d said:
I'm just trying to put myself back in that time period. Nowadays most of us would never install a panel like that for anything other than a tool shed or garage...back then they were the norm. It's funny to see how we've (slightly) evolved as a trade. :D
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There's no way to know of 'one of us' did this. 220/221 might have been the first real electrician this panel has seen since Carter was in the Oval Office.
 
220/221 said:
70's and 80's?????

They must have been using recycled stock in you backwoods town. This stuff is pure 60's
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Oh, I didn't even know people lived in Arizona prior to the 60's. ;) Everything there looks like it's less than 10 years old (except that big hole in the ground up north.)
 
Can't tell from this photo, but I'd bet 50? the neutrals and grounds aren't seperated.
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No grounds. ninteen SIXTIES guys. Steel flex and THW. Carter was growing peanuts. They DID run a ground though and terminated it on a bond bushing.

I didn't get a chance to look at the (pushmatic?) service. The kind with the push on/off CB's.



I didn't even know people lived in Arizona prior to the 60's.
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You really should have let me take you on a tour. My mom was born here in 1932 BTW. My fathers family migrated from Chicago in 1945 after WWII
 
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480sparky said:
Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.
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Why? Other than the fact that they don't make them anymore, I've never noted anything especially wrong with Pushmatic. There were a heck of a lot of them installed around here back in the day.
 
mdshunk said:
Why? Other than the fact that they don't make them anymore, I've never noted anything especially wrong with Pushmatic. There were a heck of a lot of them installed around here back in the day.
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I kind of liked them myself.
 
mdshunk said:
Why? Other than the fact that they don't make them anymore, I've never noted anything especially wrong with Pushmatic. There were a heck of a lot of them installed around here back in the day.
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Just about every Pushmatic panel I've replaced here has been due to a direct short that never tripped the breaker. Gave 'arc welding' a whole new meaning.
 
480sparky said:
Just about every Pushmatic panel I've replaced here has been due to a direct short that never tripped the breaker. Gave 'arc welding' a whole new meaning.
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That's one I've never heard before. As far as I know, that hasn't really been a recognized issued with Pushmatics.
 
480sparky said:
Just about every Pushmatic panel I've replaced here has been due to a direct short that never tripped the breaker. Gave 'arc welding' a whole new meaning.
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Interesting....

I caused a short once by cramming a receptacle into a way-undersized wire mold box, old TW wire...you get the picture. The wiremold had no supplemental EGC either...and the old pushmatic breaker tripped like a charm. :)
 
peter d said:
Interesting....

I caused a short once by cramming a receptacle into a way-undersized wire mold box, old TW wire...you get the picture. The wiremold had no supplemental EGC either...and the old pushmatic breaker tripped like a charm. :)
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Yeah, I think 480's experience was unusual. Matter of fact, this is the first time I've ever heard anything related to a Pushmatic failing to trip. The chief complaints have always been related to the actual push action that might not "click in" or "click out" with other than a sturdy push. The window that "on" and "off" shows through can also get foggy and hard to read.
 
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