Fridge on GFCI protection.

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stickboy1375 said:
If you live in Connecticut, its an amendment.
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Sorry, Michigan.

We have to have a smoke in the bedrooms and the NEC says *all* bedroom outlets must be AFCIs.

How does the amendment read and how does it affect the smokes?

I would like to see someone come up with a 'smart' smoke that can tell the difference between a bad cook and a structure fire! :grin:
 
K8MHZ said:
Sorry, Michigan.

We have to have a smoke in the bedrooms and the NEC says *all* bedroom outlets must be AFCIs.

How does the amendment read and how does it affect the smokes?
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(Amd) 210.12 Arc-fault circuit-interrupter protection.

(Amd) (B) Dwelling unit bedrooms. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in dwelling unit bedrooms shall be protected by an arc-fault circuit interrupter, listed to provide protection of the entire branch circuit.
Exception 1: The location of the arc-fault circuit interrupter shall be permitted to be at other than the origination of the branch circuit in compliance with (a) and (b):

(a) The arc-fault circuit interrupter installed within 6 feet of the branch circuit overcurrent device as measured along the branch circuit conductors.

(b) The circuit conductors between the branch circuit overcurrent device and the arc-faullt circuit interrupter shall be installed in a metal raceway or a cable with a metallic sheath.

Exception 2: Smoke detectors shall be permitted to be supplied by branch circuits without such protection providing such branch circuits supply no other outlets within the dwelling unit bedroom.
 
stickboy1375 said:
(Amd) 210.12 Arc-fault circuit-interrupter protection.

(Amd) (B) Dwelling unit bedrooms. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in dwelling unit bedrooms shall be protected by an arc-fault circuit interrupter, listed to provide protection of the entire branch circuit.
Exception 1: The location of the arc-fault circuit interrupter shall be permitted to be at other than the origination of the branch circuit in compliance with (a) and (b):

(a) The arc-fault circuit interrupter installed within 6 feet of the branch circuit overcurrent device as measured along the branch circuit conductors.

(b) The circuit conductors between the branch circuit overcurrent device and the arc-faullt circuit interrupter shall be installed in a metal raceway or a cable with a metallic sheath.

Exception 2: Smoke detectors shall be permitted to be supplied by branch circuits without such protection providing such branch circuits supply no other outlets within the dwelling unit bedroom.
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So what this says is that the smokes can be powered from a frequently used non AFCI protected lighting circuit?

Thanks! Some politician in CT is using some common sense. Or do you think that was an accident? :grin:
 
I have always wondered what sense it made to require the placement of an alarm meant to warn against fires on a circuit designed to open when an ignition source is detected.

We sure are putting a lot of faith in those little Chinese made 9 volt batteries!
 
K8MHZ said:
So what this says is that the smokes can be powered from a frequently used non AFCI protected lighting circuit?
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No, it just means AFCI protection is not required, I generally just use a dedicated circuit. ( I know, i'm going to hell, but i've already accepted that.)


K8MHZ said:
Thanks! Some politician in CT is using some common sense. Or do you think that was an accident? :grin:
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Not sure...
 
Exception 2: Smoke detectors shall be permitted to be supplied by branch circuits without such protection providing such branch circuits supply no other outlets within the dwelling unit bedroom.


This will not work when the new building cods go into effect. They will require AFCI protection on smokes.
Lou
 
marissa2 said:
Exception 2: Smoke detectors shall be permitted to be supplied by branch circuits without such protection providing such branch circuits supply no other outlets within the dwelling unit bedroom.


This will not work when the new building cods go into effect. They will require AFCI protection on smokes.
Lou
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Lou, what new building codes are you referring, they haven't updated that page since 05... :roll:
 
stickboy1375
Take a look at the CT Building Inspectors Office web page, it lists all the codes that will go into effect. At first they said it would be in August, but now it sounds like the end of the year.
Lou
 
stickboy1375 said:
Found this while doing a google, Anyone know how/why the GFCI fridge/freezer myth is such a popular one?
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My in law's have a house at the coast. Twice they lost a freezer full of meat due to a surge or storm tripping the GFCI. The nuisance tripping cost them quite a bit of money (yea I know money's not everything). It's no longer GFCI protected.

None of mine are on GFCI protection. Not that I don't think it's worth it. I just wish there was some type of alarm to notify me by phone if the temp rises. Maybe there is.
 
SmithBuilt said:
My in law's have a house at the coast. Twice they lost a freezer full of meat due to a surge or storm tripping the GFCI.
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What would they do if they lost utility power for 3 days? :roll: ANd they do make GFCI alarms....
 
K8MHZ said:
So what this says is that the smokes can be powered from a frequently used non AFCI protected lighting circuit?

Thanks! Some politician in CT is using some common sense. Or do you think that was an accident? :grin:
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I think it's more dangerous to have a "critical" system like this on a circuit that's designed to shut down in certain emergency situations.

It may end up like GFCIs, and have an exemption or exception that allows "critical" or "lifesaving" equipment not to be on a protected circuit.

If not, someone could always make a recommendation to the NEC...:roll:
 
mdshunk said:
Yeah, there is. They're a couple hundred bucks, and normally only used on restaurant walk-in boxes.

http://www.controlproductsonline.com/pdfs/fa-d2 manual 424240024a.pdf
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Now you have me thinking...I had to connect one of these for the freezer/cold case at Walgreens. I distinctly remember that I had to mount and run the temperature control cable, but I can't remember how it was powered. I think it was a plug-in "wall wart." And it was nowhere near as sophisticated as the model that you posted. It was just an LED readout and it set off an alarm if the temp got too high.
 
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