Gas Cooktop GFCI?

[Bama_Electrical]

I have a customer that is replacing their induction cooktop which was hardwired to 240v. They are reaplcing it with a Gas Cooktop that is 120v. It plugs directly into a dedicated 15A receptacle. I included the instructions here. Curious if the receptacle is required to be GFCI per code. The receptacle will be located in the cabinet below the cooktop.

 

[Johnhall30]

Code says that GFCIs are required for all countertop outlets, or any outlets within 6 feet of a sink.

Even if it is within 6 feet of a sink, I would not install a GFI because it is installed inside the cabinets

 

[Dennis Alwon]

If the range is within 6' then it must be gfci protected but it cannot be behind the range

 

[Little Bill]

If the range is within 6' then it must be gfci protected but it cannot be behind the range

It's not a range, it's a cooktop and the OP said the receptacle would be below the cooktop in a cabinet.

 

[AC\DC]

Ahj call on gfci in a cabinet.
just install gfci breaker

 

[Bama_Electrical]

I did confirm that the cooktop will be more than 6ft from the sink.

 

[infinity]

If the range is within 6' then it must be gfci protected but it cannot be behind the range

I did confirm that the cooktop will be more than 6ft from the sink.

Is the 6' requirement for the range or for the receptacle?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Is the 6' requirement for the range or for the receptacle?

Well the cooktop is more than 6' you are fine but I should have been clear that the 6' is from the receptacle which makes no sense. If the appliance is close to the sink then you would think you want to protect the appliance as well as the receptacle.

 

[rc/retired]

Well the cooktop is more than 6' you are fine but I should have been clear that the 6' is from the receptacle which makes no sense. If the appliance is close to the sink then you would think you want to protect the appliance as well as the receptacle.

Yeah, stupid!
But, we all can make a list. Can't we?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Yeah, stupid!
But, we all can make a list. Can't we?

They corrected that in the 2023 code for sinks in other than dwelling units, as the measurement is now from the appliance and not the receptacle.
For dwelling unit kitchens, they removed the issue by requiring all receptacles in the kitchen to have GFCI protection.

 

[rc/retired]

They corrected that in the 2023 code for sinks in other than dwelling units, as the measurement is now from the appliance and not the receptacle.
For dwelling unit kitchens, they removed the issue by requiring all receptacles in the kitchen to have GFCI protection.

You know, I figured that would happen in the 2023 code. Thanks for the update.

Ron

 

[jimport]

So the measurement is to the receptacle for a refrigerator, but to the cooktop from a sink. Nice consistency.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

So the measurement is to the receptacle for a refrigerator, but to the cooktop from a sink. Nice consistency.

No. In the 2020 code the measurement is from the sink to the receptacle in 210.8(A) and 8(B).

In the 2023 code the requirement is that all receptacles in a dwelling unit kitchen have GFCI protection. The rule is still for receptacles within 6' from the sink for sinks not in a kitchen.

However the rule 210.8(D) for specific appliances has been expanded to include additional appliances. This rule requires that the outlet that supplies any the listed appliances must have GFCI protection and that applies to both dwelling and non-dwelling occupancies. List items (8) through (12) are new for the 2023 code. The previous code just referenced 422.5(A) that only includes the first seven list items. Note that this rule does not say receptacle....it says outlet.
The list is:
1) Automotive vacuum machines
(2) Drinking water coolers and bottle fill stations
(3) High-pressure spray washing machines
(4) Tire inflation machines
(5) Vending machines
(6) Sump pumps
(7) Dishwashers
(8) Electric ranges
(9) Wall-mounted ovens
(10) Counter-mounted cooking units
(11) Clothes dryers
(12) Microwave ovens

 

[jimport]

No. In the 2020 code the measurement is from the sink to the receptacle in 210.8(A) and 8(B).

In the 2023 code the requirement is that all receptacles in a dwelling unit kitchen have GFCI protection. The rule is still for receptacles within 6' from the sink for sinks not in a kitchen.

However the rule 210.8(D) for specific appliances has been expanded to include additional appliances. This rule requires that the outlet that supplies any the listed appliances must have GFCI protection and that applies to both dwelling and non-dwelling occupancies. List items (8) through (12) are new for the 2023 code. The previous code just referenced 422.5(A) that only includes the first seven list items. Note that this rule does not say receptacle....it says outlet.
The list is:
1) Automotive vacuum machines
(2) Drinking water coolers and bottle fill stations
(3) High-pressure spray washing machines
(4) Tire inflation machines
(5) Vending machines
(6) Sump pumps
(7) Dishwashers
(8) Electric ranges
(9) Wall-mounted ovens
(10) Counter-mounted cooking units
(11) Clothes dryers
(12) Microwave ovens

Don, have there been documented cases where the lack of gfi protection has led to serious issues or is this just part of the continuing trend of changes without documentation?

 

[electrofelon]

Don, have there been documented cases where the lack of gfi protection has led to serious issues or is this just part of the continuing trend of changes without documentation?

Pretty sure the latter.... And of course no cost/benefit analysis was done.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Don, have there been documented cases where the lack of gfi protection has led to serious issues or is this just part of the continuing trend of changes without documentation?

Most all GFCI changes have referenced at least one "dead body".

 

[jimport]

I think someone already said it, but do we really need to make all these changes because of one incident?'

 

[Barbqranch]

And that one person may have been going for a Darwin's Award.

 

[kec]

Most all GFCI changes have referenced at least one "dead body".

90 + people died today in a car accident. Do we ban cars?

 

[electrofelon]

I think someone already said it, but do we really need to make all these changes because of one incident?'

Probably not. Unfortunately the incompetent NFPA doesn't seem to ever do any cost benefit analysis. It's sort of regulation 101 that the cost of a regulation needs to be evaluated with the benefits.