Gec's to neutral bar in main...

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chevyx92

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Have an 800A Fused main switch that feeds sectional meter stacks. Inspector today quoted 250.24 and said that all my GEC's need to land on the neutral bar. My #6 from my ground rods wasn't landed on the neutral bar beacuse there was no way to land a #6 with the factory lugs provided and you couldn't add one. So, I set a lug on the side of the can(scraped paint of course) and landed it there. I do have my cold water GEC on the neutral bar and bonding strap in place. Is the inspector right? And if so, like I asked her, where was I suppose to land it if there is no provision for this small wire. All the extra lugs were way to big.
 
I've seen people do that. But She's probably right.

Screw (thread) a grd bar to the back of the panel. Put the EGC on it. Install a grd lug with feet and run a bigger wire over to the neutral.
 
chevyx92 said:
That say "A" GEC, not all GEC's. As long as you "A" GEC meaning "one" attached to the neutral then you are ok. Thats just the way I read it. Just trying to find out whats the correct way by the NEC.
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Okay, so why would one have to be bonded to the neutral but not all of them, personally why dont you just do a tap and be done with it...
 
It's not an equipment ground. You are grounding the utilities grounded conducor. You must take the quickest and direct path to ground.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Okay, so why would one have to be bonded to the neutral but not all of them, personally why dont you just do a tap and be done with it...
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They all would be bonded, it's the main gear, that's what I'm saying. I read 250.24 as requiring one GEC to be attached to the neutral. Neutral is bonded to the can so why can't you attach another GEC to can if it's all bonded?
 
chevyx92 said:
They all would be bonded, it's the main gear, that's what I'm saying. I read 250.24 as requiring one GEC to be attached to the neutral. Neutral is bonded to the can so why can't you attach another GEC to can if it's all bonded?
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If you read 250.24 (A)(1) General.

I think its pretty clear what they want.
 
stickboy1375 said:
If you read 250.24 (A)(1) General.

I think its pretty clear what they want.
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Well I don't see how you read that and get multiple GEC's and connections when it specifically says "A" grounding electrode conductor. 250.24(A)(1) starts by saying "The Connection".... not connection(s). I just see it different. By no means am I saying that I dont want all my GECS to land on the neutral. Because I usually do, just in this case I couldn't and don't see then wording in the code that say you need ALL Gecs to land on the neutral.
 
chevyx92 said:
Well I don't see how you read that and get multiple GEC's and connections when it specifically says "A" grounding electrode conductor. 250.24(A)(1) starts by saying "The Connection".... not connection(s). I just see it different. By no means am I saying that I dont want all my GECS to land on the neutral. Because I usually do, just in this case I couldn't and don't see then wording in the code that say you need ALL Gecs to land on the neutral.
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All I know is that your reading it the way you want it to be... :grin: Seriously, when you read 250.24 (A)(1), where does it say you can land the GEC other than the load end of the service drop or service lateral to and including the terminal or bus which the grounded service conductor is connected.
 
stickboy1375 said:
All I know is that your reading it the way you want it to be... :grin: Seriously, when you read 250.24 (A)(1), where does it say you can land the GEC other than the load end of the service drop or service lateral to and including the terminal or bus which the grounded service conductor is connected.
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250.24(A)(4) which is directly bonded to the can.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Sure, as long as that grounding terminal bar or bus is connected to the neutral bar or bus... looks like your back to square one my friend.
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Not nessasarily, 250.24(C) allows the attachment to the can.
 
Just connect the ground rod GEC to the other GEC with a split bolt. Now it is not longer a GEC, it becomes a bonding jumper and is not required to connect directly to the neutral. Split bolts are permitted for the connection of bonding jumpers to the GEC.
 
I too will say see 250.24(A)4, and 250.54 (susequently 250.118) as these are 'supplimentary' to the water electrode and say you'll take it instead to some other suitable ECG, or to some other electrode like some piece of steel or water pipe as laid out in 250.64(F).... If you really want kick this thing around - tell her as it is "supplimentary to the water" and that the rods are subject to 250.53(D)2 which would include connecting it to the GEC for the water, any ol' water pipe anywhere, or the service riser with a clamp, the neutral anywhere prior to the main - including the weather-head - or where you have connected it already.
 
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