Getting a loadcenter out of brick

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This pool equipment was installed at the back wall of a vanishing edge pool; as shown in the pics, it’s corroded all the equipment.

Another pool contractor has relocated the equipment to another pad. You can see the loadcenter feeding this is flush in the brick. The top is rusting, and you can see water has made its way to the bottom and started rusting there also.

I have to get the feeder and two circuits out and relocate to the new equipment pad; looking for suggestions on that.

I would like to put a deep 4X cabinet in its place so that it extends past the brick and I can exit the bottom along the wall with new conduit.

Only way I can think to do it is to cut the conduits clean off at the edge, try to chip back into the brick so that I can get a coupling on the end of the conduit and install a terminal adapter through the 4X can. I know it’s likely I’ll have to cut the brick to fit a slightly larger cabinet dimension.

Pretty sure the conduit exiting to the right and lower right corner can be abandoned.

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Turn it into a J-box and cut out the back of a new larger one and place over.
just a thought.
 
Could you possibly gut the panel remove the back box and square off the brick to put an 18x18x6 inch box or equivalent.

in other words cut the brick big enough and use the Splice Box to fill in the Square

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All those conduits in the brick ,
or mounted to a wall behind the brick?

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If they're mounted behind the brick or better yet I'm just thinking of this while I type,

why not just gut the panel completely and buy a big enough box to cover the square and mount it flush on the brick


and use some LFMC into the back of the new Splice Box

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The conduits are in the brick.

My first thought was to cut out the back of another enclosure to encapsulate the loadcenter, but I’m worried I won’t be able to keep the water out. You can see what it’s done to this equipment in a short amount of time. This is why I think pulling it out completely and terminating the conduits into a 4X enclosure is the best option.

Unless you guys know of a super-super sealant that’s going to hold up over time. I’m not totally opposed to just covering over this can if I can walk away knowing the loadcenter isn’t going to completely rust out behind it.


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Can you do what I mentioned use a 4X enclosure and then nipple into a panel right next to it

I think the water not escaping definitely contributed to it rusting so quickly

if you mounted an outdoor panel on the surface it probably would last a lot longer

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Yes I would just completely remove the existing load Center

Leave all the conduits in place and connectors in place just cut around them

Change over to sealtite into the back of a surface mounted 4X enclosure big enough to cover the square and nipple into a new outdoor panel or if you can find an outdoor panel big enough to cover that square and be done with it

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brantmacga said:
So put some female adapters on the end of the existing MA’s and extend into a new cabinet from the rear ?


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That is better than my suggestion. If you can still pull through those existing conduits ( bends and such) you are good to go.
 
nickelec said:
Yes I would just completely remove the existing load Center

Leave all the conduits in place and connectors in place just cut around them

Change over to sealtite into the back of a surface mounted 4X enclosure big enough to cover the square and nipple into a new outdoor panel or if you can find an outdoor panel big enough to cover that square and be done with it

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Yeh, I think that will work. Thanks


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Post pics of finished product I would like to see how it comes out

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nickelec said:
Yes I would just completely remove the existing load Center

Leave all the conduits in place and connectors in place just cut around them
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If the existing load center is going to be covered up, is there any reason to remove the enclosure? Just remove the guts and the cover and extend the conduit runs into the new junction box or load center that is going on top.

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Trying to get to this one next week. I’ll throw some pics up.

Existing loadcenter hangs out maybe 1/2”, so at least have to get it flushed back in the wall.


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brantmacga said:
Trying to get to this one next week. I’ll throw some pics up.

Existing loadcenter hangs out maybe 1/2”, so at least have to get it flushed back in the wall.


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If cutting out back of a larger enclosure, leave it stick out, it will penetrate into your larger enclosure and will be easier to seal around it than it is to seal open space.
 
Started on this today...


Here is the can.

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Ended up only needing to use the 1 1/4” conduit with the feeder. The MA threads were so brittle they snapped off when I pulled the can out. Not ideal, but I ended up having to shove some 1” carflex inside just to sleeve the 6” of conductor behind the box. Went into the back of this fiberglass 4X enclosure with a Meyers hub. Had just enough thread for the bonding bushing. Also laid a giant bead of silicone, hoping I can keep the water out.

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