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Here is a copy of the page
What other categories are there for residential grade dishwashers? If that is the intention of how to read this then the word "kitchen" is redundant IMO, they just need to say all dishwashers in dwelling units if that is what the intention is.And even if it gets installed in a wet bar, it is still a "kitchen dishwasher" as an appliance category.
What other categories are there for residential grade dishwashers? If that is the intention of how to read this then the word "kitchen" is redundant IMO, they just need to say all dishwashers in dwelling units if that is what the intention is.
Regardless I still think it is the wrong way of attacking these failing units, make the manufacturers fix whatever the problem is, even if their solution is internal GFCI on the appliance.
Make them recall product already out there as well.
What other categories are there for residential grade dishwashers? If that is the intention of how to read this then the word "kitchen" is redundant IMO, they just need to say all dishwashers in dwelling units if that is what the intention is.
Regardless I still think it is the wrong way of attacking these failing units, make the manufacturers fix whatever the problem is, even if their solution is internal GFCI on the appliance.
Make them recall product already out there as well.
So, are all refrigerators "kitchen refrigerators" because that is where they were initially installed and manufactured for?--
Why did they remove the "Kitchen" from the 6' sink GFCI rule in the 2014 if the wording for kitchen was not a specific place?
The definition of a kitchen is in the NEC. Charging statement calls out kitchen dishwasher branch circuit . A branch circuit feeding a dishwasher in a wet bar does not make it a kitchen branch circuit.
Does the kitchen countertops that are installed in a wet bar require 2 branch circuits? They should say all 120v dishwasher branch circuits which would include all types makes & models instead of being so specific.
Have all of you been GFCI the disposals & dishwasher receptacles within 6' of wet bar sinks since 2005 in which they removed the countertop surface language?
Thanks for posting what was there in the past, as time goes by you kind of remember the problems that were once there, but you don't always remember just when or what order some of those changes occurred, or even specific details - just the ones that effected you regularly.GFCI Requirements
NEC 2002 210.8(A)(7) -- Wet Bar sinks ? Where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces and located within 1.8m (6 ft) of the outside edge of a wet bar sink.
NEC 2005 210.8(A)(7) -- Laundry, utility, and wet bar sinks ? Where the receptacles are within 1.8m (6 ft) of the outside edge of sink.
Unlike the 2014, there is no commentary of GFCI protection for receptacles serving appliances: disposals, dishwashers, refrigerators.
NEC 2014 210.8(A)(7) -- Sinks ? Where the receptacles are within 1.8m (6 ft) of the outside edge of sink.
2014 Commentary: Sinks in kitchens are not the only sinks where a ground-fault shock hazard exists; therefore, this requirement covers all other sinks in a dwelling. This GFCI requirement is not limited to receptacles serving countertop surfaces; rather, it covers all 125-V, 15- and 20-A receptacles within 6 feet of any point along the outside edge of the sink. Many appliances used in these locations are ungrounded, and the presence of water and grounded surfaces contributes to a hazardous environment. As illustrated in Exhibit 210.14, any 125-V, 15- or 20-A receptacle installed within 6 feet of a sink located in other than a kitchen is also required to be GFCI protected.
What is it that GE knows that the automobile manufacturers don't?What other categories are there for residential grade dishwashers? If that is the intention of how to read this then the word "kitchen" is redundant IMO, they just need to say all dishwashers in dwelling units if that is what the intention is.Regardless I still think it is the wrong way of attacking these failing units, make the manufacturers fix whatever the problem is, even if their solution is internal GFCI on the appliance.Make them recall product already out there as well.