gfci for hardwired devices

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I work as an industrial maintenance specialist. I am having troubles with a GFCI breaker nusance tripping on a small 120 volt motor on a wash tank. It also works in conjunction with a sonic cleaner system. I replaced the original motor with a washdown motor, because it is in a soap and water environment.

According to art. 210.8 (B) othwer than dwelling units, any receptacle in the bathrooms, rooftop, or kitchen need to be GFCI protected. My question is does it have to be GFCI if I hard wired both the motor and sonic cleaner, it sits adjacent to a sink.

Thanks ahead of time for any help with this problem.

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What would be the difference hard wired or plug connected ??? Principle stay the same....
 
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I'd say no it does not have to be GFCI if it is hard wired.
The GFCI requirement is only for the receptacles.
 
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Am i missing something.If we have a fan in a shower we put it on a gfci,or are we doing that because most have an internal receptacle?
If we hardwire a hot tub don't we still want a gfci?
 
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I do not see where it is required to be GFCI protected. Look at the motors in carwash establishments.
The shower fan, is it required by the NEC or manufacturer?

Pierre

[ January 26, 2004, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
 
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Hydro massage Bathtub are specifically addressed in Article 680.
Unless there is somewhere in the code that says a motor near a sink/basin has to be GFCI protected it is not required.
A good example is hard wired pool motors in dwellings no GFCI needed. Receptacle and cord connected you need a GFCI.
I know it's not the same issue, but I'm just using it as an example
 
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would it have anything to do with the fact that with hard wiring the ground is theoretically always going to be connected. Where as with a receptacle you have a potential to have a 2-wire device plugged in without a ground conductor.
Just an idea, But I can't find where the NEC says that it doesn't have to be GFCI if hard wired.

Somebody in these forums said once that the NEC is more restrictive than permissive in the wordings. So, if it is hardwired then it is not a receptacle. What do we think about that maybe I will just run with that theory.

Thanks for any more input to come.

Nowaa
 
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