gfci needed for outside refrigerators ?

[retirede]

Have you pushed the test button since 2011?

Good point. I’ll get on that later today and report back!

 

[ramsy]

Again, you seem to be the only one having so many issues.

You mean the 1% calling my phone makes me special?

Sure, occasionally there will be a problem but in most cases the GFCI is just doing its job because there is unacceptable leakage current in the appliance.

You mean if untrained persons can't see an obvious cause, they blame the safety device that wont worky, and ignore real shock hazards, before replacing that POS with old faithful.

Or do you mean, in states where the safety devices remain on the books, its the electricians that remove them after inspection, for the occupants inverter appliances, and non-FCC tested junk from Amazon.

 

[curt swartz]

You mean the 1% calling my phone makes me special?

You mean if untrained persons can't see an obvious cause, they blame the safety device that wont worky, and ignore real shock hazards, before replacing that POS with old faithful.

Or do you mean, in states where the safety devices remain on the books, its the electricians that remove them after inspection, for the occupants inverter appliances, and non-FCC tested junk from Amazon.

So you remove the GFCI's during service calls to solve tripping issues?

If an appliance is tripping a GFCI tell the customer to get the appliance serviced or replace it.

What states have removed GFCI requirements?

I have installed hundreds of AFCI, GFCI and DF circuits feeding appliances with inverter compressors with zero issues. I have 3 refrigerators/freezers at my own house that use inverter compressors. Breakers have not tripped since installed 5 years ago.

All the problems I have read about with GFCI and inverters is for larger loads such as pool pumps (solved using Siemens GFCI breakers) and A/C condensers.

 

[ramsy]

What states have removed GFCI requirements?

The NAHB publishes adoption status of both AFCI and GFCI in 50 States.

At one point Dennis Alwon said North Carolina amended out 406.4(D) replacement code entirely. Not sure how many states still do that.

Besides 406.4(D), or AFCI in 210.12, recent amendments are also removing multi-pole GFCI breakers.

 

[hillbilly1]

Now they have the outlets with audible alarms which is nice for freezers full of meat! Usually a nearby lightning strike will nuisance trip one.

 

[ptonsparky]

Now they have the outlets with audible alarms which is nice for freezers full of meat! Usually a nearby lightning strike will nuisance trip one.

The newer ones are better.

 

[roger]

At one point Dennis Alwon said North Carolina amended out 406.4(D) replacement code entirely. Not sure how many states still do that.

You misunderstood what he said. Please post where he said what you thought he said. Your statement is along the lines of an inspector saying "its in the code book"

 

[ramsy]

You misunderstood what he said. Please post where he said what you thought he said. Your statement is along the lines of an inspector saying "its in the code book"

You may disregard any statement you wish.

 

[kwired]

Now they have the outlets with audible alarms which is nice for freezers full of meat! Usually a nearby lightning strike will nuisance trip one.

If in an area where it will be heard. And they only sound alarm when it is tripped with supply voltage still applied. If you really don't want to find a freezer full of thawed food, the best solution is a battery powered alarm system of some kind and one that has remote signaling if the freezer is in a location where it may not be noticed early in the thawing process. Any failure of the freezer can result in loss of a lot of $$$ worth of food and this is a good investment.