GFCI on temp power

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Probably...see 590.6(B) :)

I have never seen 590.6(B)(2) complied with, which leaves only 590.6(B)(1), which requires GFCI protection (assuming, of course, that you are refering to receptacles).
 
allenwayne said:
Our poco will not hook up a t pole that has a 50 amp non gfci protected receptacle this is 2 years now.
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You live in an odd area.

What business is this of the power company?
 
The point being is that the POCO will not hook up a temp pole if there is a 50 amp receptacle that isn`t gfci protected.They put a tag on it that says will not be hooked up until there is la de da de da.There are at this time 1000`s of temp poles out there that have the 50 amp gfci.

When this came into play we had around 1000 temp poles out in the field.They have all been retro fitted with a 50 amp gfci breaker.No gfci the POCO says no hook up.They don`t need a code article it is because they require it.
 
allenwayne said:
The point being is that the POCO will not hook up a temp pole if there is a 50 amp receptacle that isn`t gfci protected.They put a tag on it that says will not be hooked up until there is la de da de da.There are at this time 1000`s of temp poles out there that have the 50 amp gfci.

When this came into play we had around 1000 temp poles out in the field.They have all been retro fitted with a 50 amp gfci breaker.No gfci the POCO says no hook up.They don`t need a code article it is because they require it.
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Yep and that ends that battle real fast
 
Hey... every utility has their own "rules book". I work in the nexus of 5 PoCo's, so it's a real treat trying to keep track of who wants what. Sometimes I accidentally end up doing little extra things that one utility requires when I'm actually working in another utility's area. Just think of the extra utility rules as "more code", and don't sweat it.

A few examples for my areas... 2 ground rods required, no matter what. house knobs must be of insulating material. No expansion fittings permitted for underground fed meter cans. T-poles must be at least 4 feet in the earth.
 
mdshunk said:
Hey... every utility has their own "rules book".
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Yes they do.

I am really curious if this little gem about 50 amp outlets requiring GFCIs is actually in that book?

I have FLPs book, is it FLP Allen?
 
FPL has never required gfci protection of anything here in my jurisdiction nor any of the surrounding jurisdictions where I use to contract work. Then again, I never had to deal with Co-Ops. There is nothing in FPL's Electrical Service Standards (Orange Book), Feburary 2006 edition on this issue.
 
A big part of the Tampa area is TECO, it sounds as though they may be as "ate up with it" as are the inspectors in that area.
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iwire said:
Yes they do.

I am really curious if this little gem about 50 amp outlets requiring GFCIs is actually in that book?

I have FLPs book, is it FLP Allen?
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Nope progress energy and also withlachoochie river electric.
 
allenwayne said:
Nope progress energy and also withlachoochie river electric.
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Teco is a POCO that primarily serves the city of Tampa.Not sure if they require the 50 amp gfci but since there are one style of t poles to go around the t ploes in that area get the gfci breaker.The cost to retro fit all those t poles was unreal.Take the cost of the breaker alone what around $40.00 X 1000 poles EEEEEKKKKKKK !!!!!!!
 
Yes they do.

527.6(B) Recepetacles other than 125-volt single-phase, 15- and 20- and 30-ampere receptacles shall have protection in accordance with (1) or, the assured equipment grounding conductor program in accordance with (2).

(1) GFCI Protection. Ground-fault circuit interrupter protection for personnel.
 
cowboyjwc said:
Yes they do.

527.6(B) Recepetacles other than 125-volt single-phase, 15- and 20- and 30-ampere receptacles shall .....
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John we know the NEC requirements and the NEC does not specifically require 50 amp GFCI, it is one of two options that will be up to the electrician to decide.

Allen said it was a POCO requirement.

I was curious if the POCO really requires it or someone fed Allen a load of hooey.
 
Gfci

Gfci

I have a GFCI question maybe someone can help me with (120 V).
When a GFCI Receptacle operates correctly with the Test and Reset buttons, why will the Receptacle not trip with a Traffic Light Tester.
 
Terry,
What is a traffic light tester? A plug in tester? If so, that indicates a missing equipment grounding conductor to the GFCI.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Terry,
What is a traffic light tester? A plug in tester? If so, that indicates a missing equipment grounding conductor to the GFCI.
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Correctamundo. Remember, a GFCI senses a current difference between the circuit conductors, which means some current is returning to the system neutral point through a pathway other than the circuit neutral conductor. A tester immitates this leakage current.

A GFCI receptacle has access to the circuit neutral ahead of the current-sensing device for the resistor that mimics an accidental shock. A plug-in tester has no such access, so it relies on the receptacle's EGC for this connection. If there is no EGC, there is no test current.
 
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