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Would the receptacles on the customer side of a bar in a restaurant be required to be GFCI protected? These are generally located below the bar top for customers to plug in their phones.
 
Damn. Thought I had all of the info down. I knew what I was describing in my head.:dunce:

Assume there is a sink on the server side of the bar.

Also, 210.8(B) states that all single phase receptacles 150v to ground or less, 50 amps or less..... are required to be GFCI protected. I recently bid a project that showed a 50 amp 120v receptacle in a commercial kitchen. My supplier said GE or anyone else that they knew of does not make a 1/50 GFCI breaker or receptacle. How do you satisfy this requirement?
 
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...I recently bid a project that showed a 50 amp 120v receptacle in a commercial kitchen. My supplier said GE or anyone else that they knew of does not make a 1/50 GFCI breaker or receptacle. How do you satisfy this requirement?
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I think I would be verifying there is no typo.
 
Muneepit said:
Damn. Thought I had all of the info down. I knew what I was describing in my head.:dunce:

Assume there is a sink on the server side of the bar.

Also, 210.8(B) states that all single phase receptacles 150v to ground or less, 50 amps or less..... are required to be GFCI protected. I recently bid a project that showed a 50 amp 120v receptacle in a commercial kitchen. My supplier said GE or anyone else that they knew of does not make a 1/50 GFCI breaker or receptacle. How do you satisfy this requirement?
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How often do you run into a 50 amp 120 volt receptacle? Even if you did have the need just use one pole and neutral off a two pole (GFCI) breaker.
 
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Would the receptacles on the customer side of a bar in a restaurant be required to be GFCI protected? These are generally located below the bar top for customers to plug in their phones.
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jumper said:
No, unless they are within 6 feet of a sink.

210.8(B)(5).
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user 100 said:
Nope.

See 210.8(B)
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Muneepit said:
Damn. Thought I had all of the info down. I knew what I was describing in my head.:dunce:

Assume there is a sink on the server side of the bar.

Also, 210.8(B) states that all single phase receptacles 150v to ground or less, 50 amps or less..... are required to be GFCI protected. I recently bid a project that showed a 50 amp 120v receptacle in a commercial kitchen. My supplier said GE or anyone else that they knew of does not make a 1/50 GFCI breaker or receptacle. How do you satisfy this requirement?
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They do have 50a gfci dp brkrs- just do as kwired said

And yes, a 120v 50a rec does indeed exist-----a NEMA "5-50"- just picture a "king size" standard grounding type rec- that is seriously what the thing looks like.

What in the heck are they planning on plugging in? Are you sure this is what they spec'd?
 
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They do have 50a gfci dp brkrs- just do as kwired said

And yes, a 120v 50a rec does indeed exist-----a NEMA "5-50"- just picture a "king size" standard grounding type rec- that is seriously what the thing looks like.

What in the heck are they planning on plugging in? Are you sure this is what they spec'd?
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Most of the time we do not have the equipment specs when we bid the projects. I just have to bid what they show. The call the piece of equipment a "Pulverizer".

Architects are getting worse than ever with the sub-standard drawings that are coming out lately.

And owners love to supply their own fixtures.... until they find out they ordered something online, from overseas and it doesn't have a listing on it.
 
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@ Kwired

Unless the Panel is full. No space for 2/50.
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How much does that one circuit throw off load balance of your panel?

Guess you need some tandem breakers or install an additional panel or something - and possibly place some of the moved circuits on other line(s) to help balance things
 
Lol. Getting off topic. The original question was "How do you satisfy the requirements of a GFCI protected receptacle of 120v up to 50amps?" Since there doesn't seem to be a manufacturer of a 1/50 GFCI breaker of any brand.
 
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Lol. Getting off topic. The original question was "How do you satisfy the requirements of a GFCI protected receptacle of 120v up to 50amps?" Since there doesn't seem to be a manufacturer of a 1/50 GFCI breaker of any brand.
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Which was answered, just because the solution is inconvenient or not cost effective does not relieve the installer or owner of the code requirements.
 
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