mtfallsmikey
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AFAIK, I don't think that any residential appliances are rated for use in an outdoor environment
GFCI's and outdoor cooking facilities
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AFAIK, I don't think that any residential appliances are rated for use in an outdoor environment
FionaZuppa
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- Part Time Electrician (semi retired, old) - EE retired.
How long would a unpowered fridge item (with food in it) go for without anyone noticing?
The best answer I read in this thread, alarming GFI's.
And, the fridge gear should have some sort of green LED light on it's door to indicate power is on. No light, no power, needs attention.
I am not sure if they make it, a pass-through recept "dongle" that offers wifi monitoring ability.
The best answer I read in this thread, alarming GFI's.
And, the fridge gear should have some sort of green LED light on it's door to indicate power is on. No light, no power, needs attention.
I am not sure if they make it, a pass-through recept "dongle" that offers wifi monitoring ability.
hbiss
EC, New York NEC: 2017
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- Little Falls, New York NEC: 2017
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- EC
Do you really think this day camp owner gives a damn? Nothing is his fault. This is how people get sick and injured and we're talking kids here! Shut him down, that will solve the problem. No GFCIs needed to do that.
-Hal
-Hal
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FionaZuppa
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It's common... "what code?", etc.
goldstar
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You're taking this way too far Hal. The owner is deeply concerned about the safety and health of ALL his campers and staff. What he doesn't want is the nuisance tripping of the refers/freezers and keeps looking for ways to avoid that. It's not so much for the loss of food items as it is the inconvenience of not having them. In many cass they cannot be replaced on short notice. So far he has not accepted my suggestion that he cover or protect the units in the event of rain or inclement weather. If he chooses not to do that he will just have to deal with the inconvenience and have to pay an appliance service person to correct the GFI problems with the units.
BTW and for the record, ALL these units are commercial grade units (Bain-marie or equivalent). That doesn't mean that they are listed or acceptable for outdoor use.
Don't wish bad things on me Hal. We all need $$$ to stay alive.
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ptonsparky
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Good receptacle enclosures similar to a Midwest would ensure it is not moisture getting to your devices. Little else is adequate in comparison.
PaulMmn
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- EIT - Engineer in Training, Lafayette College
Plug a light in the same outlet as the reefers/freezers. If the light goes out, the power's out, and the food is going bad.
growler
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The idea that you have about at least covering them doesn't sound like all that much trouble or expense.
Why don't they start these units up a week or so in advance of when they will be needed to see if they are going to have problems. With no food in them and no one opening the doors it shouldn't cost much to run them for that long.
hbiss
EC, New York NEC: 2017
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- Little Falls, New York NEC: 2017
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- EC
You're taking this way too far Hal. The owner is deeply concerned about the safety and health of ALL his campers and staff. What he doesn't want is the nuisance tripping of the refers/freezers and keeps looking for ways to avoid that. It's not so much for the loss of food items as it is the inconvenience of not having them. In many cass they cannot be replaced on short notice. So far he has not accepted my suggestion that he cover or protect the units in the event of rain or inclement weather. If he chooses not to do that he will just have to deal with the inconvenience and have to pay an appliance service person to correct the GFI problems with the units.
BTW and for the record, ALL these units are commercial grade units (Bain-marie or equivalent). That doesn't mean that they are listed or acceptable for outdoor use.
Don't wish bad things on me Hal. We all need $$$ to stay alive.
Bull. The only thing I see him deeply concerned with is his bank account. Maybe he can't make changes tomorrow, but at least admit that a building needs to be built and appliances need to be replaced. After this season scrap everything and by next summer have a new "pavilion" in place.
Doesn't matter whether the reefers are commercial or consumer, NONE are designed to be exposed to the elements EVER.
And by the way, a Bain-marie is a pot for holding food in a steam table. There is no such manufacturer of commercial refrigeration equipment called Bain-marie that I know of. Who told you that, him?
Does this look like his freezer?
And yeah, I do get upset when little children are involved.
-Hal
goldstar
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You are funny Hal :lol::lol::lol:. FYI, Bain-marie makes refrigeration equipment :
https://www.kitchenall.com/leader-lm72-72-sandwich-prep-refrigerator-bain-marie.html
I only used that name as an example but I really don't know what other manufacturers of food service equipment he has. I just know they are commercial grade units.
IMHO, at some point the owner will get tired of spending $$$ on refrigeration repairs and take some of my advice to protect the units from inclement weather.:thumbsup:
goldstar
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It's not and I'm hoping he takes my advice this year.
They are started up at least a week in advance. The units and their maintenance actually fall under the auspices of the caterer but are purchased by the camp owner. After start-up the units generally run fine but I can't help but think that some damage or corrosion was done due to leaving them in damp environments all year long.
Thanks for your reply.
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
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- EC
Household refrigerators are somewhat cheap in comparison to commercial units, you would think they would want them better protected because of that reason alone.
hbiss
EC, New York NEC: 2017
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- Little Falls, New York NEC: 2017
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- EC
:lol:No! The manufacturer is Leader, the bain-marie(s) get placed in the compartments under the flip up cover and are kept cold. You normally would put a liquid in them. (They show the compartments populated with "hotel pans" for things like sliced tomato in the picture.)
The terms bain-marie and hotel pan are to the food industry like Greenfield and 1900 box is to us. Some may call the whole sandwich prep station a bain-marie.
-Hal
K8MHZ
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I think they get hot, not cold
A bain-marie, a type of heated bath, is a piece of equipment used in science, industry, and cooking to heat materials gently and gradually to fixed temperatures, or to keep materials warm over a period of time. A bain-marie is also used to melt ingredients for cooking. Wikipedia
hbiss
EC, New York NEC: 2017
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- Little Falls, New York NEC: 2017
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- EC
Yes, hot and that's what I mentioned when I first talked about them. That's how I use them, the bain-marie sits in hot or boiling water. That can be in anything from an electrically heated tub of water (steam table) to something that is made to look like a soup kettle and holds only one bain-marie. I put soup in them, or beans or chili or whatever to keep it hot for hours. Usually something that you would ladle to serve. Translated from the French, bain-marie means Mary's bath.
However I don't see any reason you couldn't drop them into a refrigerated compartment to keep the contents cold. That's what that prep station does with the hotel pans. I can't think of any sauce that I might want to put on a sandwich that you have to keep cold, but probably there are.
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