GFI for nook counter top?
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Re: GFI for nook counter top?
The code section requiring kitchen outlets to be GFCI protected is 210.8(A)(6)Kitchens-where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surface.
Is the "mail center" in the kitchen? If so then the inspector may be right.
Chris
The code section requiring kitchen outlets to be GFCI protected is 210.8(A)(6)Kitchens-where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surface.
Is the "mail center" in the kitchen? If so then the inspector may be right.
Chris
rcarroll
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Re: GFI for nook counter top?
I say the inspector is off. If you have more than 6' from the bar sink to the mail center outlets, then GFI protection is still not required.Ron
I say the inspector is off. If you have more than 6' from the bar sink to the mail center outlets, then GFI protection is still not required.Ron
pierre
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Re: GFI for nook counter top?
This sounds like an "other than dwelling" kitchen. (B)(3) & (B)(1) are for the rooftop and bathroom???
Is the nook part of the kitchen on the plans? It would be hard for us to tell if you are not sure.
ALL, ALL 125 volt 15 & 20 ampere receptacles in the kitchen will require GFCI protection under the 2002 & 2005 NEC. 210.8 (B)(2) ['05 NEC]
This sounds like an "other than dwelling" kitchen. (B)(3) & (B)(1) are for the rooftop and bathroom???
Is the nook part of the kitchen on the plans? It would be hard for us to tell if you are not sure.
ALL, ALL 125 volt 15 & 20 ampere receptacles in the kitchen will require GFCI protection under the 2002 & 2005 NEC. 210.8 (B)(2) ['05 NEC]
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- Massachusetts
Re: GFI for nook counter top?
Yes in commercial kitchens that is the code.
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- Massachusetts
Re: GFI for nook counter top?
sllazar
Dwelling unit or 'other than dwelling unit'
I agree with Pierre a 'mail center' doe not sound like a dwelling.
sllazar
Dwelling unit or 'other than dwelling unit'
I agree with Pierre a 'mail center' doe not sound like a dwelling.
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Re: GFI for nook counter top?
I interpreted it as being in a dwelling unit, and being a place to store or handle the household mail, to pay bills, and to drink coffee, all in close proximity to the kitchen.
My read is that 210.52(B) applies, and that these receptacles are part of the Small Appliance circuits. My read is also that 210.8(A)(6) does not apply, and GCFI is not needed.
I interpreted it as being in a dwelling unit, and being a place to store or handle the household mail, to pay bills, and to drink coffee, all in close proximity to the kitchen.
My read is that 210.52(B) applies, and that these receptacles are part of the Small Appliance circuits. My read is also that 210.8(A)(6) does not apply, and GCFI is not needed.
Re: GFI for nook counter top?
The wet bar is more than 10 feet from the counter in question and seperated by a door way. As you enter the house from the garage you go into the laundry room, and then into a short hall. At the end of the hall on your right is the nook. On the left is the kitchen with an island. So the way I look at it the kitchen and nook are seperated by the entry to the house from the garage. Just the way I see it. I think the big issue here is that 210.52 B1 and B3 Are in referance to Small applicance outlets and Required outlets, not GFI Protection. That would be 210.8A 1 thru 8.
The wet bar is more than 10 feet from the counter in question and seperated by a door way. As you enter the house from the garage you go into the laundry room, and then into a short hall. At the end of the hall on your right is the nook. On the left is the kitchen with an island. So the way I look at it the kitchen and nook are seperated by the entry to the house from the garage. Just the way I see it. I think the big issue here is that 210.52 B1 and B3 Are in referance to Small applicance outlets and Required outlets, not GFI Protection. That would be 210.8A 1 thru 8.
Re: GFI for nook counter top?
Providing the nook receptacles are not in the room classified as the kitchen, then they should not have to be GFCI protected. Another example of this is dining room receptacles; they can be part of the small appliance circuit but are not required to be GFCI protected.
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
Re: GFI for nook counter top?
How this went to commercial kitchens is a mystery.
I see no need for gfci protection for these receptacles as you have explained their installation.
How this went to commercial kitchens is a mystery.
I see no need for gfci protection for these receptacles as you have explained their installation.
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: GFI for nook counter top?
The only logical reason to cite 210.52(B)(1) is if the receptacles in the nook were not on small appliance branch circuits. They should be.
Those receptacle circuits can only serve the areas defined in 210.52(B)(1). Did you comply with this?
As for the GFI bit, not required.
I'm wondering if the tag is illegible? No offense, fellas, but some inspectors have atrocious penmanship. There's been many a holy tangent cut short by realizing the tag didn't really say what I thought it read.
Everything's confused on this one.
The only logical reason to cite 210.52(B)(1) is if the receptacles in the nook were not on small appliance branch circuits. They should be.
Those receptacle circuits can only serve the areas defined in 210.52(B)(1). Did you comply with this?
As for the GFI bit, not required.
I'm wondering if the tag is illegible? No offense, fellas, but some inspectors have atrocious penmanship. There's been many a holy tangent cut short by realizing the tag didn't really say what I thought it read.
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