GFI in attic

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ceb58 said:
Tell them to show you in code what is incorrect. They cant. Ask them who they believe a inspector with years of code training or a cable installer. Explain that the home has passed final inspection and you now expect final payment. If they want to argue over final payment just put a lien on the house. I would not argue the point. These are the same type people that will take the word of a kid working in the elect. dept. at the box stores over some one who deals with it everyday for a living.
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Well said.
 
Just ask the owner for his MORON to provide code sections for his claims and after you realize that he cannot I expect final payment. I hope you havent given him his electrical final without final payment. This will be your lesson of your lifetime, No final payment no Electrical final and no C of O. It is your only bargaining chip. I would also send him to a collection agency who will dog him to eternity and back. Clip a buttset onto his phoneline while you are there and dial 9580 it will tell you what number you are connected to.
 
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quogueelectric said:
I hope you havent given him his electrical final without final payment. This will be your lesson of your lifetime, No final payment no Electrical final and no C of O. It is your only bargaining chip.
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If the OP were in NJ, it works like this:
No final payment before final inspection.

I typically leave about 5% for that :grin:
 
celtic said:
If the OP were in NJ, it works like this:
No final payment before final inspection.

I typically leave about 5% for that :grin:
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The paper is mailed to me and I have the say when the customer gets it. Final payment final paperwork. I typically leave 1/3 for that.:smile:
 
quogueelectric said:
The paper is mailed to me and I have the say when the customer gets it. Final payment final paperwork. I typically leave 1/3 for that.:smile:
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For me I never have had to worry about someone trying to give me the high hard one. And they're lucky that they never have because I wouldn't sit there and take it. I would go about getting my payment in a very unconventional way if I had to.
 
This actually brings up some situations where a customer hasnt paid his riser fee and the poco has left it temped out for over 3 yrs now. I cant make him pay his 300$ Underground riser fee and my guarantees are over in 1 yr. I dont know what to do really.
 
quogueelectric said:
This actually brings up some situations where a customer hasnt paid his riser fee and the poco has left it temped out for over 3 yrs now. I cant make him pay his 300$ Underground riser fee and my guarantees are over in 1 yr. I dont know what to do really.
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Hire steelerman :D
For me I never have had to worry about someone trying to give me the high hard one. And they're lucky that they never have because I wouldn't sit there and take it. I would go about getting my payment in a very unconventional way if I had to.
 
responder1 said:
thats for temparary instalations such as receptacles or lights. not a permanent part of the structure. i dont think that they were referring about power tool cords.
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Oh yes that is exactly what they are refering to.
It is correct the attic outlet is not a temporary installation. However the cord that is plugged in to it is. 509.6 (a) requires the user to provide gfci protection if the power is used for maintnence.

So if you use power tools in the attic for working on the equipment. You shall use a cord that has gfci protection. Or a gfci outlet, which nobody does. Just because this is ignored does not mean it doesn't say what it says.
 
Dare I say it - this sounds like this is more a battle of ego, and personality... Something obviously happened between OP and client - happens.... Then client seeks bad advice from sweet talking schmuck who walks on water and sweats honeydew.... On to the word against word.... Best to remember that contracting is about contracts and hold them to theirs in the most professional manner possible. This would be where you perfect a lien on the home.... (If your state allows such)
 
responder1 said:
thats for temporary installations such as receptacles or lights. not a permanent part of the structure. i dont think that they were referring about power tool cords.
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590 applies any time you plug a tool in to perform construction or maintenance. OSHA believes that as well.
 
590 has absolutely nothing to do with permanent attic wiring in a single family residence. As an experienced, certified electrical inspector I would never require anyone to provide GFCI protection in an attic such as the one in question. I would have no authority to do so and would lose the battle because I have nothing to back me up.
 
ivsenroute said:
590 has absolutely nothing to do with permanent attic wiring in a single family residence.
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I agree 100%, however 590 does apply the moment a tool is plugged into the outlet for service or maintenance. But the responsibility for that to happen is on the person plugging in the tool.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Well I hope the OP didn't ask the HO to read this thread as I suggested.
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Why not?

Is everyone supposed to feel that everyone else is just as perfect as they are?
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steelersman said:
For me I never have had to worry about someone trying to give me the high hard one. And they're lucky that they never have because I wouldn't sit there and take it. I would go about getting my payment in a very unconventional way if I had to.
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Wow... Becareful about being too unconventional. Eventually you will find someone who is willing to get unconventional back at you...
 
Please ask for a code reference and let us know how he is 'interpreting' the code.
The only thing I could think of is that maybe he is thinking about roof top. Or if he's dyslexic and thought he was in the basement when looking in the attic and thought of an unfinished area.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
Wow... Becareful about being too unconventional. Eventually you will find someone who is willing to get unconventional back at you...
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come on look at me do i look scared? Seriously look at me in my avatar? This is not the look of fear my friend. Confusion, delusion, hallucination, bliss maybe but not fear. Lol!!
 
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