Give me a section in the code book....

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What Bob said. I would not put in 30 amp ciruit breakers for all those circuits.
 
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Originally posted by georgestolz:
Originally posted by ty:
They need to have Table 210.24 shoved in their faces and th en they need to read 210.19 (all of it) again and again and again. And then do it all over agian.
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And then wash their mouths out with 240.4(D). :D
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Now that,is hillarious!!
 
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Originally posted by speedypetey:
Originally posted by electricmanscott:
I would not put in 30 amp ciruit breakers for all those circuits.
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The question is not what would you not do.
It is what would you do?
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
What Bob said.
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Originally posted by iwire:
Originally posted by speedypetey:
I do have a question for Scott and others here who would never upsize a breaker without knowing what the circuit feeds.
You are doing a residential service upgrade from fuses. The house is old and has a mix of wiring methods. EVERY fuse is a 30a.
How do you size your breakers???
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In a case like that I would put them all on 15 amp breakers unless I could chase them down to verify they could be on 20s.
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Originally posted by iwire:
Originally posted by speedypetey:
Why mix wire sizes?
This has always been considered poor workmanship. A circuit should remain the same wire size throughout.
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Speedy we often mix wire sizes and IMO when we do it is a sign of excellent workmanship.

Why?

Voltage drop.
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Come on Bob, give the guy a break. I don't know the guy but I would put up a buck to say that he understands using a larger conductor for VD. $

His question was: Under normal circumstances, why would you mix #12 and #14 and us a OPD rated 15?
 
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Originally posted by Minuteman:
Come on Bob, give the guy a break. I don't know the guy but I would put up a buck to say that he understands using a larger conductor for VD. $

His question was: Under normal circumstances, why would you mix #12 and #14 and us a OPD rated 15?
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That was not his question, that is your version of the question. :)

Actually I was not responding to a question.

I was responding to this.

Originally posted by speedypetey:
Wire the room in #12 or in #14. Why mix wire sizes?
This has always been considered poor workmanship. A circuit should remain the same wire size throughout.
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In my opinion mixing wire sizes is not a sign of poor workman ship.

Many members here wire homes large enough to justify up sizing a home run.
 
Re: Give me a section in the code book....

Originally posted by iwire:
Many members here wire homes large enough to justify up sizing a home run.
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As do I.

I just need to clarify a bit. I really should have been more clear.
I was talking more about mixing wire sizes for no reason. Doing it for voltage drop is a valid reason. If we go back to the original post he is talking about using #14 switch legs on a circuit wired with #12.

Also, if I upsize a circuit for VD I keep it the same size throughout. Thta's just my prefrence.


I don't want to beat this to death, but I'm getting clobbered here. I just wanted to make a point, but was not clear enough.
 
Re: Give me a section in the code book....

Originally posted by speedypetey:
Originally posted by iwire:
Many members here wire homes large enough to justify up sizing a home run.
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As do I.

I just need to clarify a bit. I really should have been more clear.
I was talking more about mixing wire sizes for no reason. Doing it for voltage drop is a valid reason. If we go back to the original post he is talking about using #14 switch legs on a circuit wired with #12.

Also, if I upsize a circuit for VD I keep it the same size throughout. Thta's just my prefrence.


I don't want to beat this to death, but I'm getting clobbered here. I just wanted to make a point, but was not clear enough.
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So would you run # 10 for VD and stay with #10 for an entire receptacle circuit and if so why :confused: Tag the HR for what ever ocpd that the circuit is wired in .The HR is a starting point I would size the remaining conductors on type and load and OCPD accordingly.
 
Re: Give me a section in the code book....

Originally posted by allenwayne:
So would you run # 10 for VD and stay with #10 for an entire receptacle circuit and if so why
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Because who knows what someone will add to a circuit in the future, or what loads will be placed on it, especially near the end.
 
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Originally posted by speedypetey:
Because who knows what someone will add to a circuit in the future, or what loads will be placed on it, especially near the end.
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Who cares what other people do? As long as your installation meets code, or exceeds it if that's what you prefer, then you shouldn't worry about all the "what if's" that might happen.
 
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Originally posted by speedypetey:
Because who knows what someone will add to a circuit in the future, or what loads will be placed on it, especially near the end.
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The thing is you could apply that logic to any installation. Who knows what people will do.


Back to the what if all the circuits are fused at 30 amps on a service you are upgrading.
What I have done is when I go in to look at the job I will explain the problem with the over fusing and that the new breakers will be sized to 15 amp and why. I explain that they may need additional wiring done as some circuits might be overloaded. I will also change out the fuses to 15 amp. (and I don't even charge them) This will possibly show the circuits that are overloaded before any work is done. This way new circuits can be added at the time the service is chnaged out. This approach helps to avoid customers complaining to you that you screwed up their electrical system when you did the new service. "We never blew any fuses before".
 
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I have been staying away from this thread only because the title rubs me the wrong way.

Does anyone else have that problem?
 
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To get voltage to a bedroom thats 100 feet away would make siNce to use #10 to the first box.Sure would not care to use it to every outlet.Must we mark it NO,good idea YES
 
Re: Give me a section in the code book....

Originally posted by jbwhite:
I have been staying away from this thread only because the title rubs me the wrong way.

Does anyone else have that problem?
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Now that you mention it, it does sound... odd. :roll: Ain't he an inspector?
 
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