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Sierrasparky

Sierrasparky

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Hi ,
I had this issue come up several times this past ferw months.

In California there is a energy code Title 24. without going into all the paticulars , Bathrooms ,kitchens and such must have energy efficient lighting.

1) If you remodel the whole kitchen add undercabinet lights, in- cabinet lights and change the cabinet layout a bit. would you need to make the Under cab lts FL . The owner would prefer halogen U.C. Lts.?

2) in the Bathroom if you change out the Heat,vent light does it need to be replaced with a FL light type Heat Vent Light?

3) if you change the recessed light in the bathroom from the square ones to the round ones do they need to be FL ( no other light is FL) and vanity light will be incandescent?
 
Sierrasparky said:
Hi ,
I had this issue come up several times this past ferw months.

In California there is a energy code Title 24. without going into all the paticulars , Bathrooms ,kitchens and such must have energy efficient lighting.

1) If you remodel the whole kitchen add undercabinet lights, in- cabinet lights and change the cabinet layout a bit. would you need to make the Under cab lts FL . The owner would prefer halogen U.C. Lts.?

2) in the Bathroom if you change out the Heat,vent light does it need to be replaced with a FL light type Heat Vent Light?

3) if you change the recessed light in the bathroom from the square ones to the round ones do they need to be FL ( no other light is FL) and vanity light will be incandescent?[/QUOTE]


In the kitchen 50% of the lighting wattage must be fluorescent. It doesn't matter what fixtures give you that wattage and the fluorescents must be switched separate from incandescents.
In the bathroom no need for fluorescents anymore you just need a manual on auto off motion sensor.
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acrwc10 said:
Sierrasparky said:
Hi ,
I had this issue come up several times this past ferw months.

In California there is a energy code Title 24. without going into all the paticulars , Bathrooms ,kitchens and such must have energy efficient lighting.

1) If you remodel the whole kitchen add undercabinet lights, in- cabinet lights and change the cabinet layout a bit. would you need to make the Under cab lts FL . The owner would prefer halogen U.C. Lts.?

2) in the Bathroom if you change out the Heat,vent light does it need to be replaced with a FL light type Heat Vent Light?

3) if you change the recessed light in the bathroom from the square ones to the round ones do they need to be FL ( no other light is FL) and vanity light will be incandescent?[/QUOTE]


In the kitchen 50% of the lighting wattage must be fluorescent. It doesn't matter what fixtures give you that wattage and the fluorescents must be switched separate from incandescents.
In the bathroom no need for fluorescents anymore you just need a manual on auto off motion sensor.
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See the prior EC let the customer belive that FL were not required. Due to customer dissatisfaction that guy is off the job.
I am curious if you fellow Californians think that NEW fixtures should be FL..
This EC thought that Low Voltage Halogen qualifed as title 24. He wired the UC lights with low Vo cable.
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The under cabinet lights don't have to be fluorescent. But......

50% of the total wattage in the kitchen must be high efficacy (HF), ie: fluorescent, LED, sodium, etc. I don't believe low voltage halogen is HF.

Here's the complete lighting code from Title 24:

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-400-2005-005/chapters_4q/6_Lighting.pdf

Here's a few comments directly from the code:

Kitchens. At least half the installed wattage of luminaires in
kitchens shall be high efficacy and the ones that are not must
be switched separately.

There are two qualifying requirements for a high efficacy luminaire: that the lumens per watt for the lamp be above a specified threshold and that electronic ballasts be used in certain applications.

Question
I am doing minor renovations to my kitchen that has six recessed incandescent cans and I am adding a new luminaire over the sink. Does this luminaire have to be a high efficacy luminaire?

Answer
Yes, all new luminaires must be high efficacy until at least 50% of the total lighting wattage comes from high efficacy luminaires (?152 (b) 1 and ?152 (b) 2).

I would suggest that you print out the code requirements from the website listed above. They're pretty easy to understand.

Hope this helps answer your question
 
I don't like return trips to circumvent code.
Thanks for your advice.
Thanks for that web link...
it's been a while since I looked at the site. Great handout for the customer.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Ridiculous or not, California is leading the way in Energy Efficiency and most if not all states will be following with similar requirements.
NY has a strict energy code, not as strict as California, but it won't be much time before we are all following these codes.
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I will buy a lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs before I am forced to buy only compact florescents
 
for the Unercounter lights, I seem to remember you can use the halogen ones if the entire system is "plug-in". Might be worth exploring. There are alos a number of LED alternatives now that work extremely well for UC.
 
Hendrix said:
I will buy a lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs before I am forced to buy only compact florescents
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You won't be forced to use CFL's. Because, the luminaires installed to meet

Title 24 will not contain medium screw base sockets. Unless the fixture is

an HID. Title 24 is pretty easy when it comes to being compliant in Resi.

Soon, it will be like commercial/industrial were you calculate your

W/ft^ tailored to the primary function of the work space or area.
 
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