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peter d said:Does that mean we need to comply with ALL codes?
Yes, and they don't even have to be codes.
They can use any standard that is generally accepted.
It does not have to be fair, it's the Feds.
peter d said:Does that mean we need to comply with ALL codes?
Then you have people who quote NEC rules that aren?t really there, such as the requirement for the orientation of receptacles, ground up or ground down. There is no such requirement. There is a preference, and the preference is either way, depending on who is stating it.
iwire said:It does not have to be fair, it's the Feds.
Cords should be pulled ?straight out,? not up or down.azhapp said:below 4' the ground prong is up, because when you pull on a cord, you're pulling up, so the ground should be the last to lose contact. Conversely . . . .
iwire said:Yes, and they don't even have to be codes.
They can use any standard that is generally accepted.
It does not have to be fair, it's the Feds.
kbsparky said:How does OSHA reconcile their regs with UL?
Showing a picture of a receptacle with its ground up does not constitute an instruction to install it that way. Nor does imprinting the word ?top? on one side of the yoke. I congratulate you on your good fortune, you favorable choice that prevented you from being cheated by that customer. But unless you can produce the test report from the UL facility (or other lab) that performed the test that gave this product its listing, and unless you can point to the phrase in the test setup or test results that states clearly that the test is invalid if the receptacle is installed the other way, I will not accept this evidence that there is a right way and a wrong way to install that particular brand of receptacle. As an alternative, perhaps you could dig out the instructions that came with the box of receptacles (I presume you buy them in bulk), and show us where they explicitly state that the receptacle must be installed with ground up.ITO said:Pass & Seyour receptacles very clearly are shown in the ?ground up? position in the included instructions, and it very clearly states ?top? on the yoke with the ground in the up position.
It says no such thing.ITO said:So yes the NEC does say ground up with a P&S receptacle. . . .
For the record -- absolutely everything I have seen on the matter makes it very clear that the cord shouldn't be pulled at all, only the plug itself. This is often violated of course... to the detriment of the appliance or what-have-you.charlie b said:
Cords should be pulled ?straight out,? not up or down.
ITO said:So yes the NEC does say ground up with a P&S receptacle,
[SIZE=-1]Q: [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Should a standard 15A or 20A receptacles be installed with the ground contact on the top or on the bottom?
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]A: [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The ground contact orientation is not specified by the NEC and therefore the receptacle can be installed with the ground pin up or down. As a company, Pass & Seymour/Legrand recommends the receptacles be installed with the ground pin up.[/SIZE]
Yes, I am saying that it absolutely does not! It constitutes a ?label,? but then Campbell?s Soup cans have labels too. Please do not confuse the common English word ?label? with the NEC?s technical term ?label.?ITO said:So you are saying where the manufacturers clearly stamped "top" on the receptacle does not constitute labeling?
You modify it like this.480sparky said:Another way of looking it the 'top' issue is: What if you install a receptacle horizontally? If there's a 'top' stamped on it, how do you then legally install it?