Ground Voltage?...

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MrHopper:

Probably your best reference point is the cooper water line from the street. Current measurements are useful, but in addition voltage measurements might help you track the source, especially if the source is some how thru the earth.

Connect an insulated wire to the water line before the meter. #20 or #18 would be convenient. Make a test probe and connect the meter between the wire from the water pipe and the probe. Assume you may find a moderate to high voltage with the probe. Thus, appropriately insulate yourself. It should be obvious you need a long wire. A Fluke voltmeter will be a very high input impedance and therefore not much probe contact should be required.

Now use the probe to check voltage anywhere you choose. A fluke meter with automatic scaling may be useful. This probe provides a means to measure the potential of the yard at various places. If the voltage rises as you move away from the building, then there is a current flow thru the soil. Voltage measurements relative to the distance from the building may point you in the direction of the source.

You can probe the walls of the basement, various different metal objects, and this other old service nuetral and see if anything is obvious.

Typical 8' ground rod to ground rod resistance in a moist clay soil may be around 10 ohms. Tests I have run over a 30' distance fall in this range. There is substantial voltage drop at the interface of the rod with the earth. 120 V and 10 ohms produces 12 A.

Probe the pipe or conduit that you said produced a spark with that joint open. The voltage may tell you something.

Be careful because you may find a hot source somewhere.

At this time with the information you have so far it is hard to tell if voltage probing will help.

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wirenut1980 said:
wirenut1980 said:
? [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']They should repeat this measurement at the closest point to you and work their way back to the substation.[/FONT]
? [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Have the utility break the connection of the primary to secondary neutrals . . .[/FONT]
? [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']. . .have them install a ronk blocker.
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']I assure you that you are not going to tell the electric utility what they are going to do. :roll: [/FONT]
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. . . they (the electric utility) said it is what it is because of the substation.
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']I agree with them. Anytime you are close to an actual substation, there are a tremendous amount of currents returning to the the substation through all of the grounding electrode systems that the various circuits feed. Our large substations have a significant amount of property around them so that these currents will not be a problem. However, our old (and smaller) substations were built on just enough property to enclose the equipment.[/FONT]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']In my opinion, you must work carefully, establish an equipotential plane, go overboard on your grounding and finish your job.[/FONT]
 
charlie said:
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']I assure you that you are not going to tell the electric utility what they are going to do. :roll: [/FONT].


Haha, yeah, you are right about that! I should have said "asked them to help you out."

In my opinion, if it is found that the utility is responsible for creating a shock hazard due to neutral return current, I would hope that they are willing to help out. Ok, that is like wishing for world peace.:grin:
 
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