grounding conductor
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ryan_618
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- Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: grounding conductor
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but find out who the real culprit is in case it is not the inspector. I require equipment grounds in metal raceways IF it is required by the engineer on the plans. It may be a design issue.
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but find out who the real culprit is in case it is not the inspector. I require equipment grounds in metal raceways IF it is required by the engineer on the plans. It may be a design issue.
pierre
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- Westchester County, New York
Re: grounding conductor
Ryan
Not to start a situation here, but if the plans call for an equipment grounding conductor in a metallic raceway, how can you as an inspector violate it? Is it not a design issue to be taken up with the engineer? Just asking
Pierre
Ryan
Not to start a situation here, but if the plans call for an equipment grounding conductor in a metallic raceway, how can you as an inspector violate it? Is it not a design issue to be taken up with the engineer? Just asking
Pierre
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- Massachusetts
Re: grounding conductor
Pierre, I have asked the same questions before.
In the area I work the inspectors enforce the code no more no less.
The job specs are enforced by people sent from the engineers office who come by quite often depending on the job, taking pictures and notes.
Any deviations from specs come to light at job meetings or punch lists.
What I was told before is some areas enforce what they saw at plan check, I am curious as to what article they cite to fail a job that meets code but not specs?
How does that work Ryan?
Pierre, I have asked the same questions before.
In the area I work the inspectors enforce the code no more no less.
The job specs are enforced by people sent from the engineers office who come by quite often depending on the job, taking pictures and notes.
Any deviations from specs come to light at job meetings or punch lists.
What I was told before is some areas enforce what they saw at plan check, I am curious as to what article they cite to fail a job that meets code but not specs?
How does that work Ryan?
ryan_618
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- Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: grounding conductor
Bob/Pierre:
Your question is a very good one. I hope you realize that I pride myself on enforcing the minimum code, but this is a sticky one. When I right this kind of issue, I right on the report that the EGC is to be installed, as per the EE. If the installer wishes to discuss it, and they often do, I have no problem with that, but they must discuss it with the engineer, not me.
Once a plan is stamped by me, it is a legal binding document. I have the responsibility of enforcing the code, but I also have the responsibility of enforcing the plan, as it is a legal document.
I have no problem signing off on a compliant installation, but the engineer has to roll over and not require the EGC.
Bob/Pierre:
Your question is a very good one. I hope you realize that I pride myself on enforcing the minimum code, but this is a sticky one. When I right this kind of issue, I right on the report that the EGC is to be installed, as per the EE. If the installer wishes to discuss it, and they often do, I have no problem with that, but they must discuss it with the engineer, not me.
Once a plan is stamped by me, it is a legal binding document. I have the responsibility of enforcing the code, but I also have the responsibility of enforcing the plan, as it is a legal document.
I have no problem signing off on a compliant installation, but the engineer has to roll over and not require the EGC.
al hildenbrand
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- Minnesota
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- Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
Re: grounding conductor
JoeBoo94,
This isn't, by chance, a 277/480 V lighting panel?
JoeBoo94,
This isn't, by chance, a 277/480 V lighting panel?
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- Massachusetts
Re: grounding conductor
Al you have me curious, why would that matter?
al hildenbrand
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- Minnesota
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- Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
Re: grounding conductor
I'm thinking about 250.97. I'm fishing for more detail.
I'm thinking about 250.97. I'm fishing for more detail.
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: grounding conductor
If this is a EGC wouldn't it have to be ran in the raceway with the feeders feeding this load center?
250.134 (B)
If this is a EGC wouldn't it have to be ran in the raceway with the feeders feeding this load center?
250.134 (B)
al hildenbrand
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- Minnesota
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- Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
Re: grounding conductor
Fair question. JoeBoo94 wrote:
A little more detail from JoeBoo94 will elicit more accurate resposes from the community, IMO.
Fair question. JoeBoo94 wrote:
It sounds like this is a grounding conductor pulled in with the lighting panel feeder conductors, but I could interpret this to be a seperate 1" RMC just for the grounding conductor. . .and for that matter, is the rigid metal or nonmetallic?
A little more detail from JoeBoo94 will elicit more accurate resposes from the community, IMO.
Re: grounding conductor
Again, guys, you cannot ignore the building code. Section R106.4 of the IRC requires work to be installed in accordance with the approved construction documents, and any changes must be re-submitted for approval as an amended set of construction documents. The inspector is 100% right in enforcing the specs if they require insulated EGCs in addition to the conduit EGCs, unless there is an amended set of construction documents on file at the time of the inspection.
It is interesting to note that Article 80 of the NEC also has similiar rules in 80.21(C)(3).
Again, guys, you cannot ignore the building code. Section R106.4 of the IRC requires work to be installed in accordance with the approved construction documents, and any changes must be re-submitted for approval as an amended set of construction documents. The inspector is 100% right in enforcing the specs if they require insulated EGCs in addition to the conduit EGCs, unless there is an amended set of construction documents on file at the time of the inspection.
It is interesting to note that Article 80 of the NEC also has similiar rules in 80.21(C)(3).
Re: grounding conductor
This is a 240v single phase panel,feeding three outlet circuts and one lighting circut.All i really wanted to know is if i could have used the one inche grc,as my ground,instead of having to pull a seperate ground wire.There are no building codes or inspections required.
This is a 240v single phase panel,feeding three outlet circuts and one lighting circut.All i really wanted to know is if i could have used the one inche grc,as my ground,instead of having to pull a seperate ground wire.There are no building codes or inspections required.
russ
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- Burbank IL
Re: grounding conductor
As Derek said in an earlier post
YES! The conduit is a legal ground. 250.118
As Derek said in an earlier post
YES! The conduit is a legal ground. 250.118
friebel
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- Pennsville, N.J.
Re: grounding conductor
To: joeboo94;russ;and derek,
I have replied to this same situation before, but I do feel compelled to speak up for safety.
For many years, we used the conduit for our grounding path back to the source. But what happens, if the conduit is broken,or at the couplings, corrosion sets in and you lose your good continuity of your grounding connection.
At our plant, we now have a grounding wire in the conduit or the cable if in a cable tray. Naturally the conduit is also grounded, but I feel much safer by having that ground in the conduit or cable. But you men are correct with NEC Section 250.118(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14). You do need to run a separate grounding wire in a conduit.But if I was the AHJ their would be a grounding wire in the conduit.
To: joeboo94;russ;and derek,
I have replied to this same situation before, but I do feel compelled to speak up for safety.
For many years, we used the conduit for our grounding path back to the source. But what happens, if the conduit is broken,or at the couplings, corrosion sets in and you lose your good continuity of your grounding connection.
At our plant, we now have a grounding wire in the conduit or the cable if in a cable tray. Naturally the conduit is also grounded, but I feel much safer by having that ground in the conduit or cable. But you men are correct with NEC Section 250.118(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14). You do need to run a separate grounding wire in a conduit.But if I was the AHJ their would be a grounding wire in the conduit.
- Location
- Massachusetts
Re: grounding conductor
How would you enforce that?
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