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The 80% rating for group mounted devices. Is this a NEC requirement? If so, where is this in the Code or is this a manufacturer's requirement?
 
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Are you refering to the urban legend that breakers must be derated to 80% when they are in a panel?

The NEC says that an overcurrent protective device (whether breaker or fuse) must be sized no larger than 125% for continuous loads.

UL listing requires all overcurrent protective devices (whether breakers or fuses) to be limited to 80% when they are mounted in enclosures. (100% rated devices require special enclosures.)

Isn't it amazing how these two requirements are related. Which came first: the chicken or the egg?
 
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Originally posted by jim dungar:Which came first: the chicken or the egg?
The correct answer to that age-old question is that it is the wrong question. That is because there is no meaning to the word "the," as in "the chicken" or as in "the egg."

Show me a chicken, and I'll tell you that it was preceded in its existence by the existence of an egg. Show me an egg (i.e., a chicken egg), and I'll tell you that it was preceded in its existence by the existence of a chicken. Ask me to philosophize over the ultimate result of taking this logic far back into time, and I'll tell you that you will eventually see an animal that does not resemble today's chicken. So the best, most nearly accurate answer is "neither."
 
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So, if we continue the "how did it all begin" philosphy too far do we run the risk of having to be censured?
 
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Two animals both different from each other,could create an egg,from which a chicken was born.

My answer: The Egg.
 
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A woman has 7 children, half of them are boys.
How can this be possible?
 
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All the children are boys? :p

A man walks up to you and says - "everything I say to you is a lie."

Is he telling you the truth or is he lying?
 
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You guys cheated - nothing is a secret anymore, the 'net made sure of that :D
Even though he's lying when he says "everything" he says is a lie, some of the things he says can be a lie, and this is one of them.

In the NFL, how many men are on the field for each team?
 
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