Minuteman
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- The Sooner Nation
Re: habitable rooms
It also has a door from the kitchen and a door to the garage.
It also has a door from the kitchen and a door to the garage.
habitable rooms
- Thread starter kman
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Service Manager
Re: habitable rooms
Michael, sounds similar to the rooms listed in 210.52(A) to me.
Michael, sounds similar to the rooms listed in 210.52(A) to me.
Re: habitable rooms
habitability has to do with livabilty, heated and in some places, cooled rooms. all habitable rooms need heat, light, ventilation, min 70 sq feet (a kitchen is not a "habitable room) in size, 7' wide. A habitable house has provisions for food prep, sanitation and sleeping, capable of being heated to 68 (70). The bedroom issue needs to be kept out of the other issues. bedrooms are used to increase value, property taxes, and septic size, among other things, as well as insurance.
Some builders and some jurisdictions seem to lack all perspective when this issue comes up. The jurisdictions base their tax on "bedrooms". go figure the bias. builders have to size septics to occupants/bedrooms.
The NEC has nothing to do with this. Smoke requirements come from the general building code, not the NEC. same with GFCI requirements.
why do we keep raising this issue when we can't solve it here.
paul
habitability has to do with livabilty, heated and in some places, cooled rooms. all habitable rooms need heat, light, ventilation, min 70 sq feet (a kitchen is not a "habitable room) in size, 7' wide. A habitable house has provisions for food prep, sanitation and sleeping, capable of being heated to 68 (70). The bedroom issue needs to be kept out of the other issues. bedrooms are used to increase value, property taxes, and septic size, among other things, as well as insurance.
Some builders and some jurisdictions seem to lack all perspective when this issue comes up. The jurisdictions base their tax on "bedrooms". go figure the bias. builders have to size septics to occupants/bedrooms.
The NEC has nothing to do with this. Smoke requirements come from the general building code, not the NEC. same with GFCI requirements.
why do we keep raising this issue when we can't solve it here.
paul
macmikeman
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- Planet macmikeman
Re: habitable rooms
Im still a little weak on this heating concept. Please explain how come rooms are not habitable if not heated. Maybe where YOU are, but not too very often where I am.
Im still a little weak on this heating concept. Please explain how come rooms are not habitable if not heated. Maybe where YOU are, but not too very often where I am.
pierre
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- Westchester County, New York
Re: habitable rooms
Go ahead and rub it in Mike... it is cold here today with the wind chill in the low single digits to below zero. No heat necessary here either
Go ahead and rub it in Mike... it is cold here today with the wind chill in the low single digits to below zero. No heat necessary here either
- Location
- Lockport, IL
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- Semi-Retired Electrical Engineer
Re: habitable rooms
Let me ask a question that is one level more obscure than "habitable room." If you have a room with some of the features described above (window, closet, heater), and you fill it with office furniture (desk, filing cabinet, bookcases), but no bed and no chest of drawers, is it a "bedroom," in the context of requiring AFCI protection for its 120 volt circuits?
Let me ask a question that is one level more obscure than "habitable room." If you have a room with some of the features described above (window, closet, heater), and you fill it with office furniture (desk, filing cabinet, bookcases), but no bed and no chest of drawers, is it a "bedroom," in the context of requiring AFCI protection for its 120 volt circuits?
Re: habitable rooms
heating is not the responsibility of the electrician. Jurisdictional differences make heating and air conditioning part of each jurisdictions domain. How each deals with it is for each to decide. The old UBC, which is still in force in some areas, although altered , mandated a min heat capability and a min cooling capability. There are too many code adaptions to try and figure which one is going to be yours, and which is applicable. But heating and cooling both traditionally and currently are part of the definition of "habitability". Again, it has nothing to do with the NEC.
paul
heating is not the responsibility of the electrician. Jurisdictional differences make heating and air conditioning part of each jurisdictions domain. How each deals with it is for each to decide. The old UBC, which is still in force in some areas, although altered , mandated a min heat capability and a min cooling capability. There are too many code adaptions to try and figure which one is going to be yours, and which is applicable. But heating and cooling both traditionally and currently are part of the definition of "habitability". Again, it has nothing to do with the NEC.
paul
Minuteman
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- The Sooner Nation
Re: habitable rooms
We were 92* today. In case you wanted to know.
We were 92* today. In case you wanted to know.
JohnE
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- Milford, MA
Re: habitable rooms
Mike, I for one am jealous. Where are you from? I must have missed it in earlier posts.Originally posted by Minuteman:
We were 92* today. In case you wanted to know.
Minuteman
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- The Sooner Nation
Re: habitable rooms
Jim, I'm in Oklahoma.
Jim, I'm in Oklahoma.
- Location
- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
- Occupation
- Service Manager
habitable rooms
For the record:
I quoted myself to publicly apologize to the inspector in question. Apparently, the apology was deleted, so I wound up forwarding him the link to the insult, with no explanation(or apology). :x
Technology is wonderful. :roll:
I look forward to the changeover getting ironed out...
For the record:
Originally posted by georgestolz:
I'm going to forward this thread to the well-intentioned inspector who required me to add an outlet to the end of a short hallway, because of the 4' x 4' "loft" at the end.
I quoted myself to publicly apologize to the inspector in question. Apparently, the apology was deleted, so I wound up forwarding him the link to the insult, with no explanation(or apology). :x
Technology is wonderful. :roll:
I look forward to the changeover getting ironed out...
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