Habitial room

[aftershock]

Is an "Enrty Foyer" with a stair way, door ways and open doors a "Habitial Room" subject to the 2' wall space and 6' spacing rules. I think it is. I have an electrican telling me it is a "Hallway".

It's an entrance hall. On a standard contractor's build (meaning this is not a custom house) cheap is the key word and the NEC can treat it as a hallway which if I am not mistaken, requires 30 sqr feet before needing a rec outlet.

IMHO if I were the electrician on this one, I would install and outlet anyways because of the same things listed in this thread. "table with lamp", "want to vacume". ect.

I dont do new houses, it's all custom remodles or additions and I have found out, I would rather do it on the rough in rather than the trim out. So I am in the habit of asking questions on the front end like:
Is this the only doorway to this room you would like to switch on the light?
Are you going to want under cabinet lights? If so, will they be low voltage or high voltage?
Are you sure your not going to need <insert any type of electrical opening here>

I get tickled at those drawing plans for some of my jobs.
Track lighting shown to be installed that crosses a support beam.
Rec outlet showing in a location and the tech specs on the appliance show it to be 3' over.
UCL light showing to go under one cabinet, but not another.

I am an electrician but sometime I must play designer too.

 

[allenwayne]

All our plans go through a county office that says they are ok.But come the actual install,we find that the approved plan is deficent in that it does not take into account actual spacing requirements.So what supercedes the other the approved plan or the actual install ???At that point who pays for the install to pass ,the EC or the builder ????The estimator bids by the approved plan but when it comes to the inspection the AHJ has the final say so.So if the AHJ`S office approves a plan that later they say is not in compliance with the NEC then who should bear the brunt of the cost to now make it NEC compliant ????
It just drives me nuts that the AHJ approves a set of prints that they later say are not in compliance with the NEC.How is it approved , then not approved?????The NEC doesnt change between these times and the electrical department approves the plans,then says they are not code compliant.

 

[George Stolz]

First, if it were at my discretion as an installer, I would install more receptacles in a foyer than the plans called for, and cite code reasons as my explanation.

Otherwise, if I were forced to observe the 2/6/12 rule in a foyer by an inspector, I would show the inspector the proposal that Mike posted. I would demonstrate that the CMP does not consider a foyer to be a "similar room" called out by 210.52(A).

Then, when I eventually lost the argument, I would install the receptacles requested.

Edit to add: A hallway should be defined in the 2011.