Having tough time with estimate

[wireguru]

Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate all the input. But now I think im up in the air about whether to male or female the other end. I like the idea of less is more. But I also like the female port because it has a more finished look and besides I can charge more I plan on doing it in pipe because the everything else is in pipe and I can charge more ....:wink:..... and I rarely get to work with pipe nowadays.

install it properly with the female jacks. last thing you want is the micros people telling your client how you did a bad job. I can list a dozen reasons not to put the male plugs on. Dont do it.

 

[wireguru]

heres some photos of my friend's pizza shop i did the LV wiring for him. POS system (some piece of crap from Dell) and an IP phone system. I used those 12 port vertical patch panels I mentioned earlier and it worked out well.

 

[Greg Swartz]

install it properly with the female jacks. last thing you want is the micros people telling your client how you did a bad job. I can list a dozen reasons not to put the male plugs on. Dont do it.

I totally agree... Female ports all the way.

They can plug and go...

IMHO that is simply the best way to go!

I like the pictures above. That is the way I install... a 66 block and female jacks.

And, yes, 66 blocks are usually under $20. So, you can make a good profit on your materials AND labor!

Hope things go well

 

[steelersman]

What is post tensioed? Once knowing that, then I might understand why it might nick cables.

post tensioned cables are steel cables that they lay throughout the span of the floor before they pour concrete (just like they do re-bar except this isn't the same as rebar) and after the concrete has hardened they have the ends of all the cables sticking out of the floor on 2 opposite ends and they tighten them putting alot of tension on them and that is what supports the concrete along with the re-bar. Also when they lay the cable in the floor they make it change elevation up and down like a roller coaster with these little supports every so often that way after applying the tension it works in supporting the floor by trying to become straight. So you wouldn't want to drill through the deck and accidently nick or cut through one. People have been killed from the cable ripping out of the concrete like a rubber band from what I've heard.

 

[wireguru]

post tensioned cables are steel cables that they lay throughout the span of the floor before they pour concrete (just like they do re-bar except this isn't the same as rebar) and after the concrete has hardened they have the ends of all the cables sticking out of the floor on 2 opposite ends and they tighten them putting alot of tension on them and that is what supports the concrete along with the re-bar. Also when they lay the cable in the floor they make it change elevation up and down like a roller coaster with these little supports every so often that way after applying the tension it works in supporting the floor by trying to become straight. So you wouldn't want to drill through the deck and accidently nick or cut through one. People have been killed from the cable ripping out of the concrete like a rubber band from what I've heard.

yeah, any time you are in a post tensioned structure, always bring in a coring contractor to make your holes and set it up where they deal directly with the client leaving you out of the loop. Your insurance company will thank you.

 

[wireguru]

I totally agree... Female ports all the way.

They can plug and go...

IMHO that is simply the best way to go!

I like the pictures above. That is the way I install... a 66 block and female jacks.

And, yes, 66 blocks are usually under $20. So, you can make a good profit on your materials AND labor!

Hope things go well

to clarify, the block on the left is a 66 block, these are for phones and run about $10. The two on the right of it are 12 port vertical patch panels that are in the same form factor as a 66 block (its called 89D or something like that). The wire terminations on the back are 110 punchdown.

I like these because theyre alot smaller and cleaner than those stupid brackets that hold a 19" patch panel. If there isnt an actual rack with equipment in it, i use these. In this install this backboard is high on the wall, there is a small shelf under it with a network switch, DSL modem, and the box for the phone sytem.

 

[tonyou812]

Hey peps I just spoke with the Micros rep today and he told me that they prefer female ends so thats what ill do. And they want the low voltage in pipe as well which also works to my benifit. Thanks again for the help everyone. Im 98 percent sure its not post and tendon judging by all the lolly columbs in the basement.