Hideously dangerous transfer switch- electrician's faul

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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
I have no problem with anybody checking out my work at any time. Most homes under construction are wide open and I am sure that there are electricians in the neighborhood that check out the work on weekends when nobody is around. I do it myself. If I screwed something up I would be embarrassed as hell that one of my peers found the problem but at the same time I would be grateful.
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Agreed 100%. By all means, inform someone about this issue. One might be just as liable if, one day you hear about a lineman being killed because of such an error, and happen to mention "I knew that would happen someday!"

If I found such an error, and told someone who cared, and then someone asked me how I knew, and I told them, and they called me a tresspasser, I'd say "So sue me!" and if they did, I'd hold my head up high and proudly plead "Guilty as charged, and I'd do it again!"
 
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Originally posted by Awg-Dawg:
I would HOPE!! someone would tell me if I did something wrong.
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Exactly... the EC should know, and he will probably be thankful for you telling him. It was probably just a mistake made by one of his rookies or someone's first transfer switch! I doubt the EC is trying to get away with it, they just don't know about it yet.
Just give him a call and let him know what you saw... I'm sure he'll go check it out.
 
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Bottom line is from a legal stand point trespassing on a construction site is a crime.Most builders I know would have you arrested if they caught you snooping around their building.What if you were injured while in that building ? No workers comp.Builders insurance says not authorised to be there.
Besides being unlawfull and dangerous to me it is quite insulting that you would condone going into a building that you have no business being in. :p No matter how the job was done !!!It`s none of your business :roll:

sparky_magoo
Member # 22122 posted October 16, 2005 10:25 PM
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Did you disconnect the transfer switch? I would have
That is just as bad.Performing work on a job that is not yours or under the ec license the permit was pulled with has no connection to you.
If you knew it was your companies job and you for what ever reason found and corrected the defect.That is a whole different sensrio.
But to perform work on someone elses job is well lets say lacking a sensible thought process,

I don`t know of any inspector that would take an annimous tip about a job that is obviously being inspected since it is new construction.
Our inspectors don`t even look at the service / panel / meter can / in commercial jobs until the EC calls for a service inspection.
On residential the inspect the meter and panel on final inspection.
Maybe the ec had his helper try to terminate and he goofed up and the leadman says don`t worry about it I`ll get r done monday morning.
IMHO stay out of a situation that you have no interest in other than to boost your own ego and you can sleep well the next night because you stck your nose where it didn`t belong in the FIRST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Now were getting legal advice from Allen. Fantastic. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne: Not to sure how it is where you live but trespassing on a construction site is a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison in this state.
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I think the rhetoric needs to be turned down a notch or two. Nothing is punishable until you get past the "innocent until proved guilty" part of the law. There is no evidence that a crime was committed, that trespass had taken place. The only thing even remotely resembling evidence of a "crime" is a statement from the original poster. I suspect that that statement would not be admissible in a court of law, as it represents self-incrimination without the person being advised of his rights.

Also, the statement I read does not sound to me like it involved trespassing, let alone an admission of a crime.
Originally posted by peter d: . . . I will have admitted that I was "inspecting" one of his homes on the weekend when he was not there. . . . He's a nice guy and always lets me check out his new homes.
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There is a precedence that the builder has welcomed this type of "inspection." The only anomaly here is that the builder was not on site that day.

allenwayne: If you want the world to know that you would not welcome visits from electricians who are not on the project team, I think you have accomplished that goal. But I think you are coming across too strongly in denouncing Peter's behavior as told in his own story.
 
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Granted maybe I took it a step to far.As far as not wanting other electricians who are not on the project team to come on one of our jobs that is true.But when it came to a point of dropping a dime on some unsuspecting EC and not knowing the entire story well that sat wrong with me that`s all.
One other point the part of innocense before guilt. well that isn`t the way it always works in this state.But that is another subject all together.
If I came on to strong with my opinions well if anyone was offended I appoligize but I still stick to my guns.Keep your nose in your own side of the playing field,unless your 2 cents is asked for :roll:
 
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As Scott mentioned, it is very common around here for prospective home buyers and anyone else to walk through homes during constuction. Builders rarely put up "No tresspassing" signs, and in fact, they may welcome the traffic in their homes because at this point they aren't paying a realtor to show the home!

The legality of this is a non-issue.
 
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I agree that the Electrical Contractor should be the one notified- not the builder, homeowner, AHJ or their mommies. To do otherwise would be going over the head of the one with the most to lose and the greatest interest in making corrections ASAP.
 
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I guess I would react a couple different ways:
1. Whew! that guy just possibly saved my [insert three letter word].

2. I think I would be a little leery of someone who was opening enclosures on my job.
I don't know many people who haven't walked through houses under construction so simply being there and looking around isn't a big deal, at least to me.
If the enclosure is hinged and partially opened, maybe not so big of a deal either. If you break out tools to open my stuff I may have a problem with that.

So, I imagine I'd be glad you found the problem (if you told me and NOT the AHJ). But I'd be pretty :D .
 
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I would also say there's no need to bring a camera on my site. Unless of course you really like my work and want to frame it .
I guess in retro spect that is what really got me on the roll.I carry a digital in my truck but not for others work ,just ours.A CM can`t say well I didn`t see it when the backcharge is with a photo of the cut wires in a home.Or all HR`S cut in the trusses and all have to be repulled.
Also a rough guy can`t say well I didn`t do that when there is a box without a lick of nm in it.Then he goes on his time to fix it ;)
 
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