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Dennis Alwon said:
So where is the connection between an outlet installed over a heater and the neighbors smoking???:D So the rationale is to don't have kids? :grin: It is safer..

The reason that rule exists is the likelihood that a cord will dry up and short out on the heater. Arc fault may eliminate some woes...
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ah, if people would only follow your advice :D
 
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I am not even enraged..You really don't get it do you..think about this then..

we are encouraging someone else to dictate how you make money..I read on how all of you say it is your business and you will run it your way..Yet you will let someone else dictate how you make money on real-estate..HI are not your friend or alli..They are going to make your ability to make money on real-estate directly associated with what they report..Think about the power you are giving them..

Now ask your self how much does it cost to rip apart a used house to make it code compliant..cost is equal to building new..go ahead encourage the system that will make you have to remodel every piece of real-estate you buy to bring it to code..Where do you draw the line..

It is one thing to require mold testing, smoke detectors, carbon monoxide detectors or even making sure the property was not a meth lab..In Mn you are required to bring the well and sewer to compliance when real-estate changes hands So either you do it or the new home owner does it but it is a 15 to 20 K to do that. so someone eats that cost how much more are you suppose to eat in government regulations..

So it is a whole new issue to start having someone come in and say you need to replace your electrical service to sell the house..or maybe you want them to tell you need to redo all your plumbing because it does not meet code..

It really is no different then sitting around watching the NEC pass bad codes..like making you install a GFCI on a sump pump / sewage pump systems..because someone might get electrocuted..

Yet it is more probable that you are going to experience a unintentional power outage due to current leakage on a pump than you are going to be electrocuted.

So it is alright for you to be governed into forcing your children into being exposed to a hazardous sewage spill in your basement and them letting them live in the toxic vapors for months while they get it cleaned and repaired..I suppose it is cheaper to watch your child contract some sort of respiratory disease that get progressively worse as they age..Yep lets let the obscure death incident out way the the evident medical issues of the living..

Oh don't let me hear the insurance thing as we all know the process and they wont pay sh-t if they don't have too..most likely home owner does not have coverage..so what are your options, no insurance, move out spend what little money you have to rent a place and let the old one good back to mortgage company..then wait ten years to be-able to buy another house..

wow sounds good lets force more people into bad situations..
 
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Even a contractor cannot legally say if it meets code or not.
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ROAD APPLES, I do independent inspections for commercial buildings, data centers and hospitals all the time and YOU say I can make a determination as to whether it meets the NEC or not. Durn 38 years wasted.
 
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ROAD APPLES, I do independent inspections for commercial buildings, data centers and hospitals all the time and YOU say I can make a determination as to whether it meets the NEC or not. Durn 38 years wasted.
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ROAD APPLES, I do independent inspections for commercial buildings, data centers and hospitals all the time and YOU say I CANNOT make a determination as to whether it meets the NEC or not. Durn 38 years wasted.
 
cschmid said:
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I am not even enraged..You really don't get it do you..think about this then..

we are encouraging someone else to dictate how you make money..I read on how all of you say it is your business and you will run it your way..Yet you will let someone else dictate how you make money on real-estate..HI are not your friend or alli..They are going to make your ability to make money on real-estate directly associated with what they report..Think about the power you are giving them..

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Oh I get it. I think home inspectors are a bunch of yahoos.

But I also am getting this on Turesday.....A thousand bucks to replace some exposed knob and tube and a few basement open lamp fixtures the HI said was dangerous.

I'll be at the bank depositing the check by noon. Cha Ching!!!

Thank you home inspector!
 
electricmanscott said:
Oh I get it. I think home inspectors are a bunch of yahoos.

But I also am getting this on Turesday.....A thousand bucks to replace some exposed knob and tube and a few basement open lamp fixtures the HI said was dangerous.

I'll be at the bank depositing the check by noon. Cha Ching!!!

Thank you home inspector!
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Yep you get 1K and a unlicensed person is getting paid for electrical got 350.
He does not need insurance or bonding..Infact the HI can make a mistake or even worse make miss something altogether and they have no responsibility at all..Yet they can make it so you can not sell you house..

So my Question is then can you add the 1k back into the price of the house after you already named the price??

So you would let the HI inspect your house after you have listed it and let him determine whether you make a profit or not??
 
cschmid said:
Yep you get 1K and a unlicensed person is getting paid for electrical got 350.
He does not need insurance or bonding..Infact the HI can make a mistake or even worse make miss something altogether and they have no responsibility at all..Yet they can make it so you can not sell you house..

So my Question is then can you add the 1k back into the price of the house after you already named the price??

So you would let the HI inspect your house after you have listed it and let him determine whether you make a profit or not??
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The buyer under most contracts has right to inspect.The seller can always say no.Depending on the amount a seller might pay it all or half.This is why contracts are important.When i sell my terms are AS IS and price is fixed.Your buying a used home so treat it like you would a car.Might add you tend to get much better prices if you pay cash.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
.You're buying a used home so treat it like you would a car.Might add you tend to get much better prices if you pay cash.
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It's surprising how many home-buyers don't understand that. A lot of folks think if they're buying a used home it should be completely up-to-date. I have a building co. also, and now even when we sell a new home its as-is unless something doesn't meet code or is a true defect in workmanship or the original materials. Some people think because they don't like the color you painted it, that's a problem and should be fixed - AFTER they buy the thing. The media makes buyers think they have the builder by the balls if they make an offer and can get whatever they want. Example: "If you want me to buy this house, you're gonna have to put all hardwood floors in" or "If you want me to buy this house, you're gonna have to put all stainless appliances in" - for the original selling price. Its ridiculous.
 
brantmacga said:
It's surprising how many home-buyers don't understand that. A lot of folks think if they're buying a used home it should be completely up-to-date. I have a building co. also, and now even when we sell a new home its as-is unless something doesn't meet code or is a true defect in workmanship or the original materials. Some people think because they don't like the color you painted it, that's a problem and should be fixed - AFTER they buy the thing. The media makes buyers think they have the builder by the balls if they make an offer and can get whatever they want. Example: "If you want me to buy this house, you're gonna have to put all hardwood floors in" or "If you want me to buy this house, you're gonna have to put all stainless appliances in" - for the original selling price. Its ridiculous.
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Now we are getting it the HI is for the buyer and we are giving them the power to help make it a buyers market..You buy as-is..So why are we empowering HI's into some kind of super hero..when they take cash for inspecting electrical of any kind they break the law..any good Realtor can do the same inspection..
 
cschmid said:
Now we are getting it the HI is for the buyer and we are giving them the power to help make it a buyers market..You buy as-is..So why are we empowering HI's into some kind of super hero..when they take cash for inspecting electrical of any kind they break the law..any good Realtor can do the same inspection..
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What happens in slow market is seller gets 1 offer after waiting 6 months.He will bend if all they want is a few gfci or something minor.Matters not if the HI is correct or not.Now if its sellers market he will just tell them take it or leave it.HI does have power enough to convince buyer to back out.Realtors have been known to even pitch in to fix rather than have no sale.
 
So How does an HI help the building industry when it was designed for real-estate buyers??

In fact I see the misinformation worse for our images than for the better..Just having to explain that I am qualified and he is not, is a pain in my a--..another system and another set of people to deal with that are not necessary..
 
cschmid said:
So How does an HI help the building industry when it was designed for real-estate buyers??

In fact I see the misinformation worse for our images than for the better..Just having to explain that I am qualified and he is not, is a pain in my a--..another system and another set of people to deal with that are not necessary..
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Easy. They make people think all the stuff they find must, by Act of Congress, Papal Dispensation, and by Word of God Himself, must be fixed.

That translates to more work for us.
 
LMAO It does not equal work for us always..most of the time I bet uncle charlie comes over and fixes it..or we promote more hack jobs..we touch it it has to be brought up to AFCI regulations..after you give them quote they sorry not at this time..
 
cschmid said:
Yep you get 1K and a unlicensed person is getting paid for electrical got 350.
He does not need insurance or bonding..
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Actually where Scott and I live the HIs need a license, insurance etc.

You will find it varies greatly depending on the area. :smile:
 
wow I learned something today, but you did mention they needed licenses before but not insurance..

so if HI comes in and inspects and you get clean bill of health on house..then you find out it had a meth lab in basement they could sue HI??

I am still trying to figure out what the real purpose of an HI is out side of helping the buyer to take money from the seller??

How does the HI help the building trades when they have no authority in any area??
 
cschmid said:
How does the HI help the building trades when they have no authority in any area??
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Are they supposed to help the building trade?

I for one would like to know if a house I am going to buy has major structural issues, termites, etc. Certain things I wouldn't know what to look for, and I think I am more knowledgeable than the average prospective home buyer.

I would rather see something like an inspection service, who sends an electrician, plumber, and a few other pro, instead of just 1 guy who can't possibly be knowledgeable in all areas.
 
cschmid said:
I am still trying to figure out what the real purpose of an HI is out side of helping the buyer to take money from the seller??
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Might your anger over HI's be because you are one of these sellers? :D :D :D

That was a joke (notice the :D's) so don't go postal on on us. ;)

Roger
 
I would rather see something like an inspection service, who sends an electrician, plumber, and a few other pro, instead of just 1 guy who can't possibly be knowledgeable in all areas.
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I agree, but in this as in most thing it boils down to the dollars.

Any idea what an HI gets in our area John? (Washington Baltimore).
 
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