"homeowner's know it all"

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I just did a complete remodel for someone. big deal, right. anyway, the owner's mother came in and told me i was lucky there were no inspections on the job; that i needed to have a receptacle every six feet. this is a residential job in Lancaster, Ohio. i know that she is clueless. the problem lies in the fact that after six years in the field, i can't remember what section of the nec lays out the guidlines for distance between receps in a home. seems dumb huh. can someone point me in the right direction. i've been to 406, and 310 and can't seem to find it. what an idiot. lol
 
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Midget, good call it is 210.52(A). Roundjohnny, the 6' measurement would equate to 12' between receptacles.

The scary part is the statement, there were no inspections on the job; why is that?

Are you licensed and insured to take on this liability?

Roger

[ January 10, 2005, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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I did a house once with receptacles every six feet. The owner wanted a lot of them. This could be a profitable, and easy, change order.
 
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6 years in the field. I have a few questions.
1. Why not call your boss and let him handle it?
Unless you are trying to be an EC without the proper qualifications.
2. What apprenticeship training do you have that you can't reference a code book? Or are you self taught.
3. I am also worried about no inspection. I am a contactor in Ohio and there are not to many places that do not require an inspection. To much of this going on and I wish the would make it a criminal offense of fraud.
4. Have you not taken any NEC update classes? Every code change they have them and you would be into your second change.

Something smells fishy but I will give you the benifit of doubt 210.52(A)(1)
 
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I will gladly put them every foot if you have enough green.Am curious if you didn't know about 210 then how did you know whats required ? Did you take care of afci and gfci?How about them short walls ?
 
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Roger,

in California, the CSLB makes sure a C-10 (EC) is lisenced and has a wopping $10,000 bond. Here, that's, at the very most, 1/25 the value of a home. There are other contract performance issues that are not mandated and non lawyer home owners rarely know anything about. The light grey small print on the back of a contract that explains to the property owners how much jepordy there putting themselves in is barely noticeable. The law, at least in California, rather than protecting the property owner, instead insulates the contractor.

I just wonder why all the concern about responsibility when the legal meathod, here anyway, is grossly misrepresented as a means of protection when it in actuallity opens one to great volnerability.

Where are all the goody two shoes on that?

Sorry Roger, I kind of got on a roll there and couldn't stop.
 
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Sam I sympathize with you,
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but you do have inspections don't you?
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Roger
 
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quote highkvoltage - " I am a contactor in Ohio and there are not to many places that do not require an inspection."

Not to be argumentative but I have never seen an inspector at TVA,GM,Ford or Daimler-Chrysler when I worked at those places,or at any of the many coal-burners I have worked on.
 
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Roger, are you crying me river? :D :D :D

You get the rare "three grins award".
 
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Thanks Sam. :)

Roger
 
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Originally posted by roundjohnny:
I just did a complete remodel for someone. big deal, right. anyway, the owner's mother came in and told me i was lucky there were no inspections on the job; that i needed to have a receptacle every six feet. this is a residential job in Lancaster, Ohio. i know that she is clueless. the problem lies in the fact that after six years in the field, i can't remember what section of the nec lays out the guidlines for distance between receps in a home. seems dumb huh. can someone point me in the right direction. i've been to 406, and 310 and can't seem to find it. what an idiot. lol
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Roundjohnny,you need to get in that codebook and realize that Roger just said the magic word - liability.Side work will put a little money in your pocket but it can also take everything you own.Not to mention how you will feel if someone gets killed because you overlooked something that the inspector may have caught.Six years is barely an apprenticeship and if you didn't serve an apprenticeship six years is nothing in this trade.Learning the 'hard way' takes much longer than being taught in a structured environment.I am always glad to see people working but you need to go about things the right way,for your sake and the sake of the people you are working for.(customers AND contractors)Good luck to you,get in school.
 
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shawn474. In a private company that has their own engineers, is accepted as qualified personal and only upgrading an exsisting system as in a retooling it's not required. At most plants as in GM (I have worked at Lordstown,Ohio GM plant) most engineering is preformed internally.
 
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It's too bad people can't ask a question without being tore up for something else.

Here is a good example of why people don't always get a permit. I had a new furnace and AC unit installed at my home. There was no electrical to the old furnace because it was a gravity type and there was no AC unit outside. To save some money I did the electrical portion but had to get a permit since the HVAC contractor had a permit for their work. I paid $80 for this permit, the materials themselves cost less. To top it off, once the job was completed and the city was notified, they only sent out the Heat and Cooling inspector. The inspector told me that he just checks the electrical on these jobs and if it looks good has one of the city electrical inspectors sign off without coming out. I asked if he was also a licensed electrician and he said no but that he was still qualified to check the electrical portion. Hmm........makes you wonder why I even needed a permit for this when a qualified person doesn't check your work. This was a big waste of $80...........especially when I knew my work would have been done right to begin with.

I don't think the person starting this form was recommending working without permits, it just came up in a statement. Think about it, probably everyone in this form has done a job at one time or another without a permit. I'm sure everyone has added an outlet, installed a new circuit, etc for family and friends. Probably not a daily thing, but most of us are probably guilty of doing this ourselves at one time or another.
 
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I don't want Roger to cry anymore. :D But.

Out here some of the local demands that are dumped on property owners by the building department can be outright insane. Sometimes folks insist they not have those people involved.

One lady through an inspector out of her house because he was rude and overbearing. I mention that one because he deserved it and it was helarious.

I'm not advocating illegal work by any stretch. But I've seen some pretty good reasons to avoid the permit process.
 
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In regards to my above post, I wasn't advocating illegal work either. But as Physis said, there are sometimes a good reason on why people avoid the whole permit process.
 
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I know I'm a little late, but I have to put in my 2 cents.

I live in a county where permits are required, but there is no inspection outside city limits. The assesor has to know if you added on so he can raise your taxes.

Government has to get it's money somehow. :D

Mike
 
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Sam,
I don't want Roger to cry anymore. :D
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I think I'm over my crying spell, now I'm just tired.
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Roger

[ January 11, 2005, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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