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engy

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I was extending a branch circuit homerun at church (120/240V service).

The conduit back to panel had black, red, blue, one white, green. :( :mad:
 
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I volunteered to wire our church,was promised lots of help.What i got was a man who could only run straight pipe.And he had never pulled a wire in any of them.Job came out fine.Maybe god was looking out for us.
 
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It sounds like 3 phase but taking him at his word of 120/240
Bad choice of colors if it was anything other than 3 phase
Is a chance that it was a 240 circuit on say red and blue and that black and white just a 120 circuit :confused:

[ February 11, 2004, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Bet that be real fun to fix LOL
Did get out bided once in Naples on a 4 unit res.The guy was new and didn't know about there amendments,wired it in romex and then rewire in pipe LOL

[ February 11, 2004, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Gentlemen, let me assure you Michael E knows what he is talking about, so this must have been a 120/240 volt system meaning the neutral was overloaded or potentially could be.

Roger
 
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Thanks roger! I appreciate the vote of confidence.

Yes it is single phase, luckily only feeding seldom used general purpose outlets. I intentionally did not say single phase to see if anyone would bite. But then again, sometimes some people do say 120/240 when it's actually 120/208.

Like I said they were homeruns, some colorful wire might have been donated, and someone must have assumed three-phase.

I almost forgot, this was in 1/2" PVC, although legal, I never specify or see anything smaller than 3/4".

I found a lot of things over the past few years that I am not happy with at all, but even more happy to be able to correct the deficiencies.

[ February 12, 2004, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: engy ]
 
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In my area, east-central Indiana, PVC conduit is prohibited in a church. Article 352.12(F) doesn't mention churches but refers to Articles 518 and 520. They will let you put it under the slab but it has to be metallic where it emerges.
 
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In my area, east-central Indiana, PVC conduit is prohibited in a church.
By whom? The Indiana Electrical Code does not have any amendments that concern Article 518. Therefore, 518.1 states, "This article covers all buildings or portions of buildings or structures designed or intended for the assembly of 100 or more persons." Unless you are wiring that portion of the building, the prohibition does not apply.

I am wondering if you are in the Richmond or New Castle area? :D
 
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The PVC extension actually was underslab. It was between areas of existing and new construction, and of course came up right where a door to the new area was to go, so I had to reroute. Sparky was gone for the day, so I did it myself, don't tell the inspector! ;)
 
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Charlie, I'm just south of New Castle. If it is a "portion" of the building not for the assembly of 100 or more persons it would have to have fire separation from the "portion" that does and most churches don't have this separation between the sanctuary, fellowship hall and class rooms/restrooms. If they did, it would be allowable. Do you know *******? He inspected for the State in my area before we got a county building inspector and that's how he always layed it out to me and the county inspector follows suit. I guess if the state approved plans included fire separation and NM cable and wireways you could do it but it would be tricky to change raceways in walls as you penetrated the fire barrier.

I edited out the name. Charlie

[ February 14, 2004, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: charlie ]
 
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No, I do not know that person. I work in the Indianapolis area and am in the office most of the time. I do get out and meet a lot of people when I am working on the Codes or going to a meeting. For instance, I am now working with the State to make the amendments to the IRC. My responsibility will be to make it match the Indiana Electrical Code since you may wire to either one. The end result will be called the Indiana Residential Code. Also, I just got back from the Indiana Chapter meeting of the IAEI.
 
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