hot tub feeders
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Can't clue you in without more details.
Check out: 680.42(A)(2), 680.26(B), 680.44, 680.43(A)(1), 680.43(A)(2), 680.43(C), 680.43(B)(1).
Without more details, I cannot be more specific.
../Wayne C.
[ September 19, 2003, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
Can't clue you in without more details.
Check out: 680.42(A)(2), 680.26(B), 680.44, 680.43(A)(1), 680.43(A)(2), 680.43(C), 680.43(B)(1).
Without more details, I cannot be more specific.
../Wayne C.
[ September 19, 2003, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
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Indoors or outdoors?
Indoors or outdoors?
pierre
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Hello Karen
It is nice to see a women post here who is in the 'industry'.
When you are using Art 680, it can be confusing. Section 680.42 requires you to refer to parts I and II of the Article. So you will treat the outdoor Hottub as a permanent pool. 680.42(A)(2) permits installation of cord and plug units with the specifics mentioned.
The circuit per say is not required to be GFCI protected, the 'equipment' is required to be protected.
Pierre
Hello Karen
It is nice to see a women post here who is in the 'industry'.
When you are using Art 680, it can be confusing. Section 680.42 requires you to refer to parts I and II of the Article. So you will treat the outdoor Hottub as a permanent pool. 680.42(A)(2) permits installation of cord and plug units with the specifics mentioned.
The circuit per say is not required to be GFCI protected, the 'equipment' is required to be protected.
Pierre
brian john
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This is a packaged hot tub/not feild assymbled, not fed from a receptical, therefore I can find no reason to GFCI this motor circut. The packaged unit is already bonded through the feeders going back to the originating panel.
Karen:
Charging the customer for additional safety is not
"NO REASON". Are you willing to comprimise safety regardless of what the NEC states?
Remember the NEC is the minimum requirements, going the extra mile for safety should not always be considered as a money saving idea.
I would err on the side of safety,
This is a packaged hot tub/not feild assymbled, not fed from a receptical, therefore I can find no reason to GFCI this motor circut. The packaged unit is already bonded through the feeders going back to the originating panel.
Karen:
Charging the customer for additional safety is not
"NO REASON". Are you willing to comprimise safety regardless of what the NEC states?
Remember the NEC is the minimum requirements, going the extra mile for safety should not always be considered as a money saving idea.
I would err on the side of safety,
pierre
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Re: hot tub feeders
Karen
I am not sure what you are trying to prove or state in your post, but there is more to the installation than just Art 680. Did you read the installation instructions that came with the unit? I am pretty sure that the instructions will require GFCI protection [110.3(B)]. There are manufacturers that are producing special disconnects just for this and you can bet your last dollar they would not if it was not required.Brian John has also provided some pretty good advice.
I will tell you that I have the luxury of installing systems way beyond the minimum of the NEC and most of my customers are very pleased for the added safety, convienence, and 'ADDITIONAL VALUE' that I provide.
If you are looking to distinguish yourself and company, give them more and don't compromise.
Pierre
Karen
I am not sure what you are trying to prove or state in your post, but there is more to the installation than just Art 680. Did you read the installation instructions that came with the unit? I am pretty sure that the instructions will require GFCI protection [110.3(B)]. There are manufacturers that are producing special disconnects just for this and you can bet your last dollar they would not if it was not required.Brian John has also provided some pretty good advice.
I will tell you that I have the luxury of installing systems way beyond the minimum of the NEC and most of my customers are very pleased for the added safety, convienence, and 'ADDITIONAL VALUE' that I provide.
If you are looking to distinguish yourself and company, give them more and don't compromise.
Pierre
curt swartz
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Re: hot tub feeders
I think that 680.44 clearly states that either the outlet supplying the hot tub must be GFCI protected or the hot tub must have integral GFCI protection. I agree with Pierre's statement to look at the installation instructions. I'm sure it will clearly state the this unit needs to be supplied by a GFCI protected circuit or that it contains the required GFCI protection internally.
I think that 680.44 clearly states that either the outlet supplying the hot tub must be GFCI protected or the hot tub must have integral GFCI protection. I agree with Pierre's statement to look at the installation instructions. I'm sure it will clearly state the this unit needs to be supplied by a GFCI protected circuit or that it contains the required GFCI protection internally.
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Thanks for your reply. I do agree with providing my customers with as much safety as possible. I needed to know the code on this point so I have made an issue of this installation. I could'nt find a code reference directly adderesing my question so I decided to put it out as a question on this forum. I am still concerned about the motor tripping the GFCI (class A) though. I have been working in industrial and commericial mostly of late and have to rely on my code book for direct information. Nuances to residential installations are not necessarly mentioned in the code book.
I haven't been able to read the manufactures info on this tub, of course that information may have made all the difference. Gratefully yours, Karen...
Thanks for your reply. I do agree with providing my customers with as much safety as possible. I needed to know the code on this point so I have made an issue of this installation. I could'nt find a code reference directly adderesing my question so I decided to put it out as a question on this forum. I am still concerned about the motor tripping the GFCI (class A) though. I have been working in industrial and commericial mostly of late and have to rely on my code book for direct information. Nuances to residential installations are not necessarly mentioned in the code book.
I haven't been able to read the manufactures info on this tub, of course that information may have made all the difference. Gratefully yours, Karen...
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