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iwire said:
Sell them the 6 AWG to start with. :)
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In the case of the tub I mentioned in this thread, the job was for a family friend so there were no issues with callbacks and that sort of thing...I was more concerned about getting the job done for the least amount of $$$.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
My own tub requires a 60a. There is less than 5a on the neutral.
2 5-hp pumps, and 2 1-hp pumps, all are 240v. Another 1/4 hp pump which runs 24/7 is 120v. The heater is 240v. The light and step down transformer for the stereo, is 120v. I have no idea how the ozone generator is powered or what with.
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wow....can you use anymore friends? I'll bring the burgers.
 
peter d said:
In the case of the tub I mentioned in this thread, the job was for a family friend so there were no issues with callbacks and that sort of thing...I was more concerned about getting the job done for the least amount of $$$.
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If they cant collect warranty you might not have the friend you thought you had.You cant stop being sued but you can help your lawyer win by being able to say it was wired to specs.Only need one law suit to put you right out of buisness.Insurance company drops you or raises rates.Now your overhead went up and bids are higher.A hot tub is not a place to save money.Your mixing water,people,drinks and electric.Make it as fool proof as you can.They are making better ID 10 T'S now and sharper lawyers.I spent far more than need on my tub to cover my rear.This an area i watch close,had a niece drown because of some poorwork.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
If they cant collect warranty you might not have the friend you thought you had.
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I wired the tub more than 5 years ago and I haven't heard a peep since then.

And yes, I would feel just fine using the tub myself considering that I wired it. :roll:
 
peter d said:
I wired the tub more than 5 years ago and I haven't heard a peep since then.

And yes, I would feel just fine using the tub myself considering that I wired it. :roll:
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My point is not that it wont work.Point is when something goes wrong fingers start pointing.FPE breakers worked great for years too.
 
peter d said:
I wired the tub more than 5 years ago and I haven't heard a peep since then.

And yes, I would feel just fine using the tub myself considering that I wired it. :roll:
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You are crazy!!! ;)
 
Peter D.,,

Thanks for explain on your side now i can see the whole picture but however for myself i rather run excat the same way what the manufacter spec'ed for.

Yeah i know the 6-3 W/G NM do have #10 grounding conductor in there.

My SOP is run full #6 THHN/THWN and be done with it. I don't need a lawyer sniffing my butt on this one.

Merci,Marc
 
I agree you may never have a problem, but if it is part of the listing & labeling you have no choice, hot tubs & pools are not the place to take any short cuts
 
frenchelectrican said:
Peter D.,,Thanks for explain on your side now i can see the whole picture but however for myself i rather run excat the same way what the manufacter spec'ed for.
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As I said I did this over 5 years ago, and if I were to do it again I would do it the "right" way since lawyers and not common sense rule the world. :mad: :roll:
 
I would rather explain the high cost than explain substandard install (even if it will work) Tell them, "I think your family's worth it, don't you?"
 
Sparkyrob11 said:
I would rather explain the high cost than explain substandard install (even if it will work) Tell them, "I think your family's worth it, don't you?"
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I would not even waste my breath trying to explain it, because most people have no idea what an EGC is, let alone a correctly sized one.
 
We all make mistakes and wish maybe we had done something differant.As long as you now see the wisdom then let it go.Likely there never be a problem and all you could do now is suggest you bring it up to 08 code.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
We all make mistakes and wish maybe we had done something differant.As long as you now see the wisdom then let it go.Likely there never be a problem and all you could do now is suggest you bring it up to 08 code.
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Yeah Peter, give 'em a call and fix your mistake!

Crap, I could spend the next five years redoing stuff I did already. :grin:
 
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peter d said:
I actually called a hot tub company once and asked about this because they had a spec that insisted that all conductors, including the EGC, be #6. They had no clue what I was asking and just parroted back the same "minimum #6" spec that was in the manual.

I ended up running a #10 neutral and ground.
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I never fail to ask for manufactures installation instructions when inspecting a hot tub. I would have failed yours.

I once read about a electrician that did not fallow manufactures instructions for a wall heater in a child's bedroom,that caused a fire and resulted in the death of the child.

The articale went on to say that he was in jail .

Not a good idea not to fallow manufactures instructions.
 
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peter d said:
In the case of the tub I mentioned in this thread, the job was for a family friend so there were no issues with callbacks and that sort of thing...I was more concerned about getting the job done for the least amount of $$$.
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IMO not a good idea. Was the job inspected, if so and it passed then the inspector is wrong also.

You must have already saved them a lot of money on labor, so why not do it as required by the manufacture and protect you and them.
 
romeo said:
I once read about a electrician that did not fallow manufactures instructions for a wall heater in a child's bedroom,that caused a fire and resulted in the death of the child.

The articale went on to say that he was in jail .

Not a good idea not to fallow manufactures instructions.
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The heater in question was not grounded at all. There is no comparison between that situation and this one. To leave a hot tub ungrounded is sheer stupidity, and that's not what we're talking about.

In this case, the EGC was sized per the NEC and code compliant. Whether or not the manufacturers spec of all #6 conductors is part of the listing and labeling of the equipment is unknown, and therefore unknown as to whether its enforceable code or not.
 
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