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laketime

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I am going to need to replace a riser for a panel on a house that is too short (wires get pushed by snow on the roof). Do I need to cut those feeders hot and reconnect them hot? Will the power company disconnect/reconnect them for me? What is the best way to cut and reattach them hot if I need to? Have worked many things hot but never an overhead service drop, and only work things hot as a last resort.
 

Buck Parrish

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NC & IN
We are allowed here as well, in central NC. As long as you have a permit.

The poco has been over whelmed so many times, because of the hurricanes and ice storms. For that reson I think they are a bit more lax. How ever if they see you didn't do some thing to their standards they will make you fix it. Even if it has been sighned off on by the inspector.

It is very dangerous. If you do it, be careful. Wear I protection and stand on a fiber glass ladder.
Test your wires for continuity, and lack of . If you ground out the hot. You could have a fireball the size of a volkswagon in your hands.

Other then safety, The only dis-advantages to not doing it your self. Is coordinating with the poco the inspector & home owner.
 
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AM-TECH

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Service drop

Service drop

In southern CA the utility company will disconnect and reconnect for you, but before they will reconnect they require a inspection sticker from the city or county building inspector placed on the panel. Some will contractors will work it hot to get around the permitting.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
I am going to need to replace a riser for a panel on a house that is too short (wires get pushed by snow on the roof). Do I need to cut those feeders hot and reconnect them hot? Will the power company disconnect/reconnect them for me? What is the best way to cut and reattach them hot if I need to? Have worked many things hot but never an overhead service drop, and only work things hot as a last resort.

you don't say where you are located, and the answers you seek vary from
one part of the country to the other.

you don't specify how the service lateral is attached to the house, and if it's attached
to the riser with a crossbar, you are going to need to support those feeders
while you replace the riser. obviously, you are ahead of the main breaker, so
your next line of defense is the poco's fuses, and those are sized for equipment
protection, not your protection.

your personal risk in the event of an arc fault occurrence is severe. it's not
going to be a sizzle, or a pop, or a bang... it's going to be a boom.

there are numerous people on this forum that can give you accurate and
well intentioned information about means and methods to do this, but the fact
that you are asking total strangers how to accomplish this is in and of itself a
cause for concern.... this is not the time to jump in and learn as you go.

get a permit, make sure you know what the inspector who will have to sign
off on your job wants to see so you don't have a delay, down the service,
make the repairs, have the inspector inspect, and have the service re lit.
it can be done in a single day, but you are going to have to coordinate it
very well to accomplish that.

yes, it's inconvenient, but not nearly as inconvenient as being killed or maimed.

good luck, and stay safe....
 

laketime

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thanks for the comments, i understand the danger hence the question i have 20yrs experience in the commercial/industrial field not much with residential issues. i contacted my local poco (Avista) they will disconnect and reconnect for me so no issues now thankfully. if they did not i was going to turn the job down because i do not have the approved hot gear to do this job.
 

bobsherwood

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Dallas TX
on a case such as this, who signs off on the hot work permit? As home owner, I would not! And what reason could be given to work it hot? I don't think NFPA 70 E would allow this to be done hot. Not the way I interpret it.
 

shockin

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if they did not i was going to turn the job down because i do not have the approved hot gear to do this job.

It sounds like you still need to turn down the job due to lack of "hot gear." Whatever the level of PPE required to do the hot disconnect is the same level of PPE you are required to put on just to verify with your meter that the service has been disconnected prior to working on it.
 

jaylectricity

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Massachusetts
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licensed journeyman electrician
When I'm about to splice my service drops hot the first thing I do is touch the bare end of the ungrounded conductor. That way if I'm somehow grounded I'm ready for the shock instead of accidentally getting electrocuted while stripping the wire and not in a good position to catch myself.

But that's just me.
 

lucky1974

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Michigan
If you are a owner/operator you are not bound by nfpa 70e the way i understand it. Granted you should still use proper safeguards. In our area we are responsible for cut out/in.
 

Dolfan

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In Miami, you have to get a (work with) from the city you are doing the work in.I know, what the heck does that mean.It means that a permit is pulled and the inspector has called FPL,Florida Power and Light (POCO) to come out.But as a contractor,if you don't call them they will never come.When you do call them, you have to set up an appointmet for a disconnect/reconnect.
 

PetrosA

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"hot gear" question

"hot gear" question

If an employee works for a company that doesn't have/provide PPE gear beyond a fiberglass ladder, what should the employee do? If the employee does undertake hot work without the gear and an arc flash or shock causes injury, does liability fall on the company owner? Our local POCO does allow us to work the services hot to disconnect/reconnect at the customer side up to the first pole on the customer's property, if one exists.

I've thought about buying my own safety equipment, but honestly the prices make it a challenge. In the meantime the other guy I work with has a Vietnam-era belt for pole work and a set of lineman's gloves that we share, and we crimp very carefully (metal handled H-Tap crimpers).

This is something I've been thinking about more often since my daughter was born last year so I figured this would be a good place to ask.
 
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