How do utilities coordinate storm work ?

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From what I’ve heard, we’ve got approximately 2000 utility workers in my town repairing the grid. There are three utilities in my county, and I’m interested to hear from those that have done it, how do you coordinate those efforts?

After I flew in last night I saw hundreds of trucks parked on my way from the airport to my house. Today I’ve seen at least 30 trucks around my neighborhood.

I know the utilities here have digital maps of the entire system with the location of each pole , transformer, cable routes, etc.

I presume those map resources are somehow shared with each helping utility because I don’t see anyone with GA Power standing around with every crew.


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From what I’ve heard, we’ve got approximately 2000 utility workers in my town repairing the grid. There are three utilities in my county, and I’m interested to hear from those that have done it, how do you coordinate those efforts?

After I flew in last night I saw hundreds of trucks parked on my way from the airport to my house. Today I’ve seen at least 30 trucks around my neighborhood.

I know the utilities here have digital maps of the entire system with the location of each pole , transformer, cable routes, etc.

I presume those map resources are somehow shared with each helping utility because I don’t see anyone with GA Power standing around with every crew.


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It's called "Mutual Aid". I think California started it, where all the counties and states sign an agreement to support each other. And it covers all emergency services.
 
It's called "Mutual Aid". I think California started it, where all the counties and states sign an agreement to support each other. And it covers all emergency services.

Yes sir and we’ve had it here in the past being in a hurricane zone; usually though we are just the staging area for storms further south.

I’m mostly curious in the planning and logistics process of having 2,000 additional employees descend on your town and knowing where to begin.

Certainly repairing substations would be priority #1 I think, and then main lines across the areas of town that provide goods and services.

It’s an amazing process to watch. I’d like to know how they structure their asset management and report progress.


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Yes sir and we’ve had it here in the past being in a hurricane zone; usually though we are just the staging area for storms further south.

I’m mostly curious in the planning and logistics process of having 2,000 additional employees descend on your town and knowing where to begin.

Certainly repairing substations would be priority #1 I think, and then main lines across the areas of town that provide goods and services.

It’s an amazing process to watch. I’d like to know how they structure their asset management and report progress.


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From my understanding each state has a "Disaster" element that coordinates among each other. In California it is called the Department of Emergency Management. And that department coordinates with the Governor. With all the disaster happening in California, they now have a good operational plan. And now FEMA is onboard, as apparent in Florida and Hawaii. In California we are getting ready for "Wildfire" season. Just last week, my area was targeted by the Los Angeles County Fire Department, for brush Clearence Inspections. Which we passed.
 
From my understanding each state has a "Disaster" element that coordinates among each other. In California it is called the Department of Emergency Management. And that department coordinates with the Governor. With all the disaster happening in California, they now have a good operational plan. And now FEMA is onboard, as apparent in Florida and Hawaii. In California we are getting ready for "Wildfire" season. Just last week, my area was targeted by the Los Angeles County Fire Department, for brush Clearence Inspections. Which we passed.
I think his question is how do linemen from say, Texas, know what to work on in Georgia, and communicate about work to/ with GA Power
 
I think his question is how do linemen from say, Texas, know what to work on in Georgia, and communicate about work to/ with GA Power
Exactly. I have seen line crews from numerous states when catastrophic events have happened in the east, don't know if they do the same on the west coast.
 
About three to fours days before a storm ever gets here there are calls being made with contractors and other utilities across the nation, depending on how bad the storm is supposed to be. If its forecast to hit us, we secure every hotel room we can get in town. We have rented an entire holiday inn express before. We also hit up a bunch of restaurants to cater breakfast, lunch and dinner. Lunch is generally a bag lunch, or eat off the truck.

Two days before the storm we check the track, and if its close enough we make the call to roll the help. We have the crews in the motel rooms waiting on the storm.
Once the storm subsides enough to permit safe work, we send out crews. Generally speaking, maps aren't shared with contractors. They MUST have what is known as a “bird dog” that is an actual employee of the affected utility. Communication and knowledge of the area is a must. Contractors from different states have no idea of feeds. Even neighboring utilities have very little knowledge of our system.

generally speaking, everything must be cleared with dispatchers. This is where the bottleneck generally happens, and you see crews sitting around doing nothing while the power is out right around the corner. They are waiting on dispatcher approval to go to an area or to energize anything.

Another big problem is too much help. There are only so many utility employees to lead the crews around so this results again, in crews sitting around, pissing off those without power.

I personally like the idea of giving the foremen three to six crews and letting the foreman have all the outages fed from a
particular substation. I’ve had 6 crews before. Its a lot of work coordinating all the crews. Find a broke pole, put a crew on it and move on. Three phase tore down, same thing. Put a crew on it and move on. Everything has to be grounded and nothing is energized without the bird dog and dispatch saying ok.

Always work from the substation out naturally. Get the three phase up and going to the first set of breakers, work on the taps after the three phase is hot.
the last customers on the end of the line are the maddest. They sit for two to four days with no power seeing anyone working and they think they have been forgot about.

Also, those on a medical list are SOL in a hurricane. If your life depends on electricity you better have a generator.

this is a concise list. There is also LOTS if behind the scenes stuff going on with paperwork. Especially if its a FEMA event. FEMA wants outages and work divided by county, so timekeeping and record keeping by the bird dog and/or dispatchers is crucial.
 
I don’t know if it’s the same for utilities, but we would have FEMA letters from our customers allowing us to go into disaster areas. Never had to show mine. We hooked up a generator on a drug store one year, manager came in the next day, generator was gone. They all have GPS on them, so they pinged it. It was sitting at a local sheriff’s office. He had commandeered it for his office. Big FEMA no no. They took it back, and I heard he was fired.
 
Exactly. I have seen line crews from numerous states when catastrophic events have happened in the east, don't know if they do the same on the west coast.

This is a report on the hearing "Atmospheric River" incident in California 2023, and how the utilities from other states helped.
 

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This is a report on the hearing "Atmospheric River" incident in California 2023, and how the utilities from other states helped.
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This is a report on the hearing "Atmospheric River" incident in California 2023, and how the utilities from other states helped.
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