How do you loop your device connections?

[electricmanscott]

Quote from the installation instructions for a Pass and Seymour Trademaster receptacle.

"Loop wires around screws in a counterclockwise fashion."

 

[petersonra]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

That would seem to be appropriate.

 

[1793]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

I wrap clockwise so when the screw is tightened it 'pulls" the wire in.

Norb

 

[celtic]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Loops?
I back stab...but only the other trades...

 

[ryan_618]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

It makes the wires come off easier that way

 

[mdshunk]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Quote from the installation instructions for a Pass and Seymour Trademaster receptacle.

"Loop wires around screws in a counterclockwise fashion."

 

[hardworkingstiff]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by 1793:
I wrap clockwise so when the screw is tightened it 'pulls" the wire in.

Norb

I'm with you Norb.

 

[hbiss]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Maybe they are south of the equator.

-Hal

 

[electricman2]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Quote from the installation instructions for a Pass and Seymour Trademaster receptacle.

"Loop wires around screws in a counterclockwise fashion."
:roll:

 

[Leitmotif]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Left hand threads ??

Just to make life interesting??

 

[oliver100]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

If you hold the wire at the end and looping it, the correct looping is clockwise. However, if you are holding the end of the wire and looping the wire itself the correct looping is counter clockwise. The point is that the writer has never installed a receptacle.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Does that mean that if we go clockwise, we have a 110.3(B) violation?

No. This is a manufacturer's instruction, not a listing and labeling instruction. 110.3(B) only requires compliance with instructions that are part of the listing and labeling.
Don

 

[pierre]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling ."

Don
By your post do you mean to say that the installation instructions included with the device are not part of the listing or labeling?

 

[sandsnow]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Don,
I think this has come up before, but here it is again.
Installation instructions are considered to be a part of the UL listing. Check out this link to the UL site.

UL Question Corner

If this is not a typo, then the product was evaluated with the wire wrapped counter-clock-wise around the screw. Technically , that is how you would have to install it and how I as an inspector would ask that it be installed.

In reality I would never have thought to check the instructions on such a small detail.

Of course now since Scott has brought it up, I will be checking all jobs using P&S recep's more carefully. I have a 18 story condo tower using all P&S, so maybe they will have to reverse all their connections. Wow, won't I be popular!!

My opinion is that it is a typo. The instructions are probably outsourced to a foreign country and they screwed up the translation.

 

[dillon3c]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by sandsnow:
In reality I would never have thought to check the instructions on such a small detail.

Of course now since Scott has brought it up, I will be checking all jobs using P&S recep's more carefully.

Homer Simpson says.. "dohl"..

 

[electricmanscott]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by sandsnow:
Of course now since Scott has brought it up, I will be checking all jobs using P&S recep's more carefully. I have a 18 story condo tower using all P&S, so maybe they will have to reverse all their connections. Wow, won't I be popular!!

In other news, a local electrical inspector was killed today when he mysteriously fell off an 18 story condo project.......

 

[iwire]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by sandsnow:
I think this has come up before, but here it is again.
Installation instructions are considered to be a part of the UL listing. Check out this link to the UL site.

So this would mean UL classified breakers can not be used as the labeling on the panels they are classified for use in do not list them.

As Don has said before UL can not have it both ways.

 

[sandsnow]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by iwire:

Originally posted by sandsnow:
I think this has come up before, but here it is again.
Installation instructions are considered to be a part of the UL listing. Check out this link to the UL site.

So this would mean UL classified breakers can not be used as the labeling on the panels they are classified for use in do not list them.

As Don has said before UL can not have it both ways.

I have asked this at IAEI meetings of the UL rep and have been sidestepped. The answer I got was that they are evaluated for use on the panelboards specified. I have not seen this answered in print by UL.

It is a paradox.

 

[sandsnow]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Originally posted by electricmanscott:

Originally posted by sandsnow:
Of course now since Scott has brought it up, I will be checking all jobs using P&S recep's more carefully. I have a 18 story condo tower using all P&S, so maybe they will have to reverse all their connections. Wow, won't I be popular!!

Seriously, I will look at the instructions, but just for curiosity's sake.

 

[iwire]

Re: How do you loop your device connections?

Did the UL guy break out in sweat and change the subject?