How does this ceiling fan control change motor direction

brantmacga

brantmacga

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I bought these fans for my house and they have a wired wall control that transmits a wireless signal to a canopy speed controller receiver. I can’t use this switch because it doesn’t fit my wall plate. Any idea how it actually changes the fan direction? There’s only two wires to the motor from the receiver .

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That's what you get for using fancy schmancy switches and wall plates. You're screwed if you want to add something that's made for standard configurations as most are. Only thing you can do is cut it in next to what you have or get a different fan. No way are you going to make that work without the wall control.

-Hal
 
hillbilly1 said:
Their website says it’s an ac motor, so it may be power line carrier control. Usually they have wireless remotes too. Odd it has a wired remote.
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yeh when I ordered them I checked to see if it specified AC motor because I'm using my own speed controls. I want to say in the past when I've installed DC fans the canopy had a separate lead for each speed, or it was buried somewhere inside the fan housing pre-installed.

My Legrand controls have a very slight hum to them with this fan. I just installed one with the factory speed control and it almost no discernible hum once its up to speed. I definitely cannot use this wall control so I may end up using their canopy receiver and ordering a wireless remote.
 
Jraef said:
Haven't heard that since my Dad passed away... He was from New York, so maybe it's a thing there?
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We visited relatives in Jersey for 1 week when I was a toddler.
Bean repeating the word "schmuck" ever since, which reminds me of Hal, telling people they're screwed.
 
hbiss said:
That's what you get for using fancy schmancy switches and wall plates. You're screwed if you want to add something that's made for standard configurations as most are. Only thing you can do is cut it in next to what you have or get a different fan. No way are you going to make that work without the wall control.

-Hal
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I've got them all installed now, and yes they work with the adorne wall controls. The only feature I don't have is the directional control, but out of the box they're set to blow downwards. Because it's hot year round here we rarely change directions so should be ok.

One of the fans has a very slight hum on high speed, the others have no hum at all. I may swap that speed control out with another and see if it clears up.

As for the switches I have, there's quite a lot I can do with a slight amount of effort. They are standard toggle switches but I have zigbee relays behind them controlling the Philips Hue lighting. There's a few that have Zigbee switch or dimmer relays behind them inside the wall box controlling LED and some incandescent sconce lighting. I haven't put my patio fans up yet, but I have zigbee canopy-mounted speed control receivers that will mount with them so I can use a 1/2 module switch and not have to take up wall space with the full-sized fan speed controls. And then I can also control them from this touchscreen keypad by the patio door. There will be four of those 1/2 module switches under it for basic on/off of the outdoor lights. I like that you get four switches horizontally in a 2gg box.

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Blue Series (Zigbee) Smart Fan/Light Canopy Module

It's back and better than ever. Inovelli's Fan/Light Canopy Module! This little module is 33% smaller than it's predecessor and is designed to fit perfectly in your fans canopy with room to spare. Enjoy individual control of your fan speed and light dim level from your favorite smart home app...
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hbiss said:
That's what you get for using fancy schmancy switches and wall plates.
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Last few months brantmacga has shared his hurricane renovation, which includes smurf for data cables & lighting controls.

Those fancy switches & control pads require structured wiring, which he planned & built from the ground up.

I’m sure tech support could deliver a custom chip solution for fan reversing, if he was willing to pay for it.
 
If ZigBee can’t offer a programming solution, they may list compatible fan models that are reversible with their canopy module.
 
ramsy said:
Last few months brantmacga has shared his hurricane renovation, which includes smurf for data cables & lighting controls.

Those fancy switches & control pads require structured wiring, which he planned & built from the ground up.

I’m sure tech support could deliver a custom chip solution for fan reversing, if he was willing to pay for it.
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To explain that a little better, these are 120v switches that I’ve connected to Zigbee contact relays instead of directly to the load. The Smurf pipe I ran was because I left a lot of the switches legs in attic junction boxes to reduce box fill allowing more room for the relays. If me or anyone else wanted to take it all out and go back to “dumb” devices the Smurf tube allows routing the switch leg to the box.

So most all the fixtures have constant power, and the relays just signal the Hue lamps on/off. I have just a few fixtures that use incandescent lamps and I use a Zigbee dimming relay to control them.


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Here’s a pic of a switch going in that show’s the LV wires to the toggle switches. And in the back of this box is a dimming relay that controls a niche light. The day/night scene control is battery powered, but they do make a hardwired version. I just had a box of these a Legrand rep gave me a couple years ago.

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I would be still interested to know how those two wires reverse the motor.
I have wondered that for a while.
 
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