How far can unfused Service Entrance Condutors Run

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wbalsam1 said:
This bulletin is not vague.
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I thought it was very specific. "Don't ask us, we won't say. Ask your local dude." It struck me as buck passing. Do you have a statewide electrical license in NY? State electrical board? Just wondering.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Lets face it, there is no right or wrong answer on this subject,
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Actually, there is. They way we do things here in New England is the right way, and everyone else is just plain mislead.... ;) :D :D
 
jerm said:
I thought it was very specific. "Don't ask us, we won't say. Ask your local dude." It struck me as buck passing. Do you have a statewide electrical license in NY? State electrical board? Just wondering.
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A technical bulletin is not a code clarification. The local "dude" is the duly appointed AHJ having been so appointed by an elected body. This person is charged with the responsibility to interpret and enforce the NEC which is referenced as a standard in the building code. The AHJ's role was clearly indicated in the technical bulletin. Nothing vague about it.
New York does not have statewide licensing for electrical inspectors or electricians. There is not a state electrical board, either.
 
iwire said:
Some of you may have already seen this picture but I think it shows that service conductors can be a problem even in RMC.

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That is what is left of a 4" RMC with a service conductor fault. It was probably good that this was outside.
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That sorta looks like an RMC service mast I installed that was hit by a delivery truck about two days after we put it up. Poco had just energized it a couple of hours before the accident. I shall illustrate for you below:


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I don't know that we have any local rule about how far you can go unfused into a building. I always put a fused disco o/s, or go back-to-back through a galvanized nipple into the main panel.
 
wbalsam1 said:
A technical bulletin is not a code clarification. The local "dude" is the duly appointed AHJ having been so appointed by an elected body. This person is charged with the responsibility to interpret and enforce the NEC which is referenced as a standard in the building code. The AHJ's role was clearly indicated in the technical bulletin. Nothing vague about it.
New York does not have statewide licensing for electrical inspectors or electricians. There is not a state electrical board, either.
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Fred
From my conversations with different inspectors and electricians in different portions of the state and my own experience, yes I believe the work performed in NYS is mediocrity at its best for approximately 50% of the time.

It is my understanding, that the building official is actually not officially the AHJ in NYS.
Even so, the electrical inspector certainly is not an AHJ.
I as an electrical inspector can have an inspection overturned by the BO, even if he has no experience in electrical whatsoever. I have heard of it happening in other jurisdictions.

I would be surprised if you do not agree with my assessment.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Fred
From my conversations with different inspectors and electricians in different portions of the state and my own experience, yes I believe the work performed in NYS is mediocrity at its best for approximately 50% of the time.
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Wow! That's quite an area you're working in. No wonder you're frustrated!

Pierre C Belarge said:
It is my understanding, that the building official is actually not officially the AHJ in NYS.
Even so, the electrical inspector certainly is not an AHJ.
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Technically, the elected body is the AHJ. The BO is appointed to administer and enforce.

Pierre C Belarge said:
I as an electrical inspector can have an inspection overturned by the BO, even if he has no experience in electrical whatsoever. I have heard of it happening in other jurisdictions.

I would be surprised if you do not agree with my assessment.
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You're right. The ideal situation, or at least a better situation, would be to have municipalities employ electrical inspection officials. Some communities do this. Most are unaware of the severity of the problems going on within their towns, villages and cities. It's all a grass roots effort to teach the elected bodies what it is that the industry needs them to know. This is the area where - at the grass roots level - we're all delinquent.

We've had several discussions on the importance of testing as a means of demonstrating competency and on licensing statewide for electrical inspectors, but to date, there are only 4/5 of the 17 incorporated inspection agencies in favor of licensing. I have you on record as being in favor. :smile:
 
brantmacga said:
That sorta looks like an RMC service mast I installed that was hit by a delivery truck about two days after we put it up. Poco had just energized it a couple of hours before the accident. I shall illustrate for you below:


flyingmast.JPG


I don't know that we have any local rule about how far you can go unfused into a building. I always put a fused disco o/s, or go back-to-back through a galvanized nipple into the main panel.
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This is one of the funniest posts I've ever read! :D
 
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