How not to wire a Pool.

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stickboy1375

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Pool Panel fed with NM,
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Pool Pump bonded to Panel, not crazy about the non 3R timeclocks, but they were in decent shape, held up better than that 3R panel.
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Pool light box buried, but still above the water level....
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Pool lights fed with NM, 14 awg no less, missing pool light cord strain reliefs,
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Is it safe to assume that this was done by the company that installed the pool? Or perhaps and electrician with a day job working for an EC or an industry? :roll:
 
peter d said:
Is it safe to assume that this was done by the company that installed the pool? Or perhaps and electrician with a day job working for an EC or an industry? :roll:
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I doubt it, probably by a local EC. See this stuff all the time. Probably a ground rod by the pool but didn't look too hard....
 
stickboy1375 said:
One would think it would be pretty hard to put in a pool with out a permit.
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Never underestimate the will of an idiot.

We wired a small cabana for a new pool. The cabana had two rooms, restroom and shower, and a area for a wet bar. All permitted and legal. I asked about bidding the pool electric, but the homeowner said it was already "taken care of".

When I called for final, the inspector failed me, because of the pool wiring. The pool guy himself, installed a 10/4 S.O. about 6" underground, from the pool equipment to the service. He knocked out a K.O. under the meter, cut the seal, and double lugged the meter. So the S.O. was unfused.

Last I heard, the AHJ ripped him a new one.
 
Minuteman said:
Never underestimate the will of an idiot.

We wired a small cabana for a new pool. The cabana had two rooms, restroom and shower, and a area for a wet bar. All permitted and legal. I asked about bidding the pool electric, but the homeowner said it was already "taken care of".

When I called for final, the inspector failed me, because of the pool wiring. The pool guy himself, installed a 10/4 S.O. about 6" underground, from the pool equipment to the service. He knocked out a K.O. under the meter, cut the seal, and double lugged the meter. So the S.O. was unfused.

Last I heard, the AHJ ripped him a new one.
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Did the homeowner have you wire the pool after that?
 
Around here the pool company uses a select few EC's that are POOL SPECIALISTS. When I had my pool installed I threw the EC off the job. He did not know what a sub panel was. TIME TO GO. There were more issues but this was the one of many that drove me over the top..

Anyway the Pool company asked me about doing pools, they told me the average price was $1,200.00 dollars start to finish. I calculated $2,250.00 on the low end (WAY LOW END). You get what you pay for.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Did the homeowner have you wire the pool after that?
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No, I thought it best not to get involved. The inspector accused me for the S.O. cable, that I installed it or allowed it somehow. I had to convince him otherwise. I wanted no part of it after all that.
 
brian john said:
He did not know what a sub panel was. TIME TO GO.
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What if you asked one of our members and they responded by saying the NEC does not define "sub panels" ?

Just messing around..
 
mark32 said:
Why would this pool need two timers?
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One was for the filter, one was for the heater... I didnt look too hard as to how everything was wired, I usually use a fireman's switch, or the heater is controlled by a flow switch.
 
brian john said:
Around here the pool company uses a select few EC's that are POOL SPECIALISTS. When I had my pool installed I threw the EC off the job. He did not know what a sub panel was. TIME TO GO. There were more issues but this was the one of many that drove me over the top..

Anyway the Pool company asked me about doing pools, they told me the average price was $1,200.00 dollars start to finish. I calculated $2,250.00 on the low end (WAY LOW END). You get what you pay for.
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They usually do all the trenching for the pool cos electrician.
 
mark32 said:
Stickboy, I've heard of this fireman's switch but how does it work? I've wired a few pool heaters but they all operated via their thermostat.
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All it does it keep the pump running for a few minutes so the heater has a chance to cool down, think of it as a delay timer.
 
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