hydromassage bathtub

[difowler44]

hydromessage bath tub

hydromessage bath tub

I didn't mention, I appreciate you guys back and forth comments on this stuff.

 

[difowler44]

hydromessage bath tub

hydromessage bath tub

I guess the hydromassage tub manufacturer could have received his UL approval with the exception that his tub be connected to an additional EGC. Unfortunately like was mentioned earlier, the instructions may have been lost by the Plumber long ago.

 

[electricmanscott]

I cannot agree that a bonding conductor is equal to a cable support.

IMO you are not doing the job the customer has hired an EC to do, if they wanted it done incorrectly they could hire a handyman.

Bob, don't you think you are over dramatizing this a little bit?

You know that there is no legit reason for the manufacturers to require a bond back to the panel. You also know that connecting a bond to the gec of the circuit accomplishes the same thing. You also know that you have bent the letter of the code.

An approved local bond could be a copper water line.

It is amazing to me how much people want to avoid doing the work we get paid to do.

I'll explain because I know you're work tends to be different than what we do. Nine times out of ten a job like this would not have any specs whatsoever. you'd have a homeowner tell you they are getting a hydro tub. You;d ask if the tub had an integrated heater. At this point you wire two 20 amp circuits, and jump the pipes with a #8 solid. On finish you connect the #8 bond to the motor and move on with life. If I were to find out at that time that the manufacturer required a #8 back to the panel in all likely hood I'd be doing it on my dime. Ain't happening.

And again, let's be honest there is no safety issue, no hazard, and the manufacturer that requires this probably has some old sparky working for them that "always did it that way"..




I know, we're all just whiners. :roll:

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[iwire]

Bob, don't you think you are over dramatizing this a little bit?

No, I did not mention 'the children', deaths or lawyers.

I simple stated that when a customer takes the time to hire a licensed contrator that they should expect code compliance as part of the job.

You know that there is no legit reason for the manufacturers to require a bond back to the panel. You also know that connecting a bond to the gec of the circuit accomplishes the same thing.

I don't know that as a fact and neither do you.

You also know that you have bent the letter of the code.

Yes, and not once that I have done that has it been right or giving the customer all that they paid for. No I am not perfect, that does not mean we throw in the towel and just start doing whatever we want.

I'll explain because I know you're work tends to be different than what we do. Nine times out of ten a job like this would not have any specs whatsoever. you'd have a homeowner tell you they are getting a hydro tub. You;d ask if the tub had an integrated heater. At this point you wire two 20 amp circuits, and jump the pipes with a #8 solid. On finish you connect the #8 bond to the motor and move on with life. If I were to find out at that time that the manufacturer required a #8 back to the panel in all likely hood I'd be doing it on my dime. Ain't happening.

Yeah, you are right, on commercial jobs the specs and prints are always perfect and nothing similar to this happens.:roll::grin:

And again, let's be honest there is no safety issue, no hazard, and the manufacturer that requires this probably has some old sparky working for them that "always did it that way"..

And again lets be honest, we don't know that, we are guessing that. Unless you have been doing some testing.

I know, we're all just whiners. :roll:

It kind of sounds that way, it's a 100' of 8WG, spend the couple of bucks and charge the customer for it.