Hydromassage Bathtubs

[roger]

Re: Hydromassage Bathtubs

Jim, if we decided to use 500 mcm conductor, would we have to do a running thermo weld to turn it into a solid conductor or is a NEMA conductor of this size prohibited?

Roger

 

[jimwalker]

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500 mcm is not solid. better yes but doesn't meet the words.
If they didn't care they would not have said solid.

 

[ryan_618]

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Gentlemen: I took this picture in a house I inspected a few weeks ago:

This is a 1/0 stranded conductor. Are you saying that you would fail it, despite the fact that it is signifigantly better than a number 8 solid?

 

[bennie]

Re: Hydromassage Bathtubs

The intent does not allow stranded wire.

Mr.Sargent is wrong. The syntax, of the sentence, is incorrect.

 

[jimwalker]

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Ryan i have respect for you but we both know you must inforce code NOT what you think is just as good.
Would i tag it? hell no ,but should you or could you that's up to you

[ January 06, 2004, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]

 

[ryan_618]

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Jim: Would you red-tag the picture I posted above?

 

[jimwalker]

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Maybe!!! how will he connect it? can't cut any strands.
Lets face it the man ran out of #8 solid

[ January 06, 2004, 06:53 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]

 

[roger]

Re: Hydromassage Bathtubs

Have we not had our breakfast?

Roger

 

[gregory]

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Ryan
I would like some more information about the 1/0 wire you pictured. how did it get in that condition?

 

[jimwalker]

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Actually NO
Ask me after 6 more beers
Ok but ,but english wasn't my best subject and this could be clearer

[ January 06, 2004, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]

 

[ryan_618]

Re: Hydromassage Bathtubs

Originally posted by jimwalker:
Maybe!!! how will he connect it? can't cut any strands.
Lets face it the man ran out of #8 solid

This is how he connected it:

 

[ryan_618]

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Originally posted by gregory:
Ryan
I would like some more information about the 1/0 wire you pictured. how did it get in that condition?

Greogory: I'm not sure I follow you 100%. If you are refering to the funky stuff on the outside of the wire, it is blown-in cellulose insulation. The wire was actually in good shape.

 

[roger]

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Jim, back to my post, is a NEMA conductor beyond a #8 as shown in table 8 prohibited?

Back up please? :roll:

Roger

 

[bennie]

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Has anyone ever seen frayed solid wire?

Has anyone ever seen old stranded battery cables that are frayed from acid decomposing the strands?

Has anyone ever seen old battery cables that do not have frayed strands?

 

[jimwalker]

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I can't see a connection
or is that what your showing ?

 

[ryan_618]

Re: Hydromassage Bathtubs

Originally posted by jimwalker:
I can't see a connection
or is that what your showing ?

There is a lug that was added to the motor!!!


Gentlemen: More of this to come when I get home from work. Gotta go now. ....Jim: Keep loosening your thinking cap, maybe you'll come around when I get home.

[ January 06, 2004, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]

 

[jimwalker]

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OK now i have an altered UL listed motor LOL
Will agree that the coma does support you.
But that is poorly writen.
I fixed it with white out!!!!!!!!!
Why didn't they just say #8 or larger?

[ January 06, 2004, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]

 

[ryan_618]

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Maybe they should have said that.... but they didn't

 

[speedypetey]

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Does my analogy hold any water?
In 680.26(C) they are very specific about the bond being solid. They are not that specific in 680.74, just that it mustn't be smaller than #8 solid. Different wording for essentially the same procedure, bonding.

 

[ryan_618]

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Pete: I agree 100% that they are both the same concept, which is bonding. The language, however, drives the enforcement. It is similiar to the language of 200.6 VS. 250.119 for green and white conductors. Same idea, un-enforcable language.