"I dont know many codes..." - Inspector of nameless city

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tallgirl said:
I'd say "Yes".

What, you're going to disconnect one but not the other?!?

The dishwasher circuit, as you'll recall, is typically unswitched, whereas the garbage disposal is switched.

Julie, it doesn't matter and is not required by the NEC.

It is up to the Qualified Individual to turn off both circuits if he/she thinks it is necessary.

How many multi gang switch boxes are fed by more than one circuit that do not utilize handle ties?


Roger
 
Exactly Roger.... And Tallgirl, that would be another instance of having the recepticals turned up-side down to identify a switched outlet. And the receptical for the equipment is not the disconnecting means for the equipment, the cord & plug that goes into it is...
 
An what do we do before working on anything?

An what do we do before working on anything?

Check with the meter, verify verify verify that it is dead or you might be.
 
When I need to de-energize any device or equipment, I check for voltage between every combination of conductors as well as every conductor to the EGC.

My favorite tester is my Knopp wiggie. A non-contact tester is the only kind that genuinely checks for voltage relative to "the universe."
 
You have 2 basic choices.1 make a big case out of this and try to get them to hire qualified inspectors.or 2 just swallow anything he cares to throw out there as his redneck code.Make that 3 if they pay enough and take his job away.Let me guess,this guy inspects everything from plumbing to framing and has a been a handyman before he got this job.He needs to be fired.If it was me i would do my part in showing him the door.How far you take this is up to you.
 
What I did was 2b and later 1b after he used the words "reinspection".... "If I have the breaker on the truck - I'll change it , just to satisfy you - as there is no code that requires that."

If I had the breaker on the truck, I would have said to have him, "Before I throw this in - Help me explain to the customer why it is we need this here on this work-order... If you could also write the code number there, 'cause I need to charge them T&M for it..." Not having the breaker on the truck - he went for solution 2c - AKA "better talk to the boss." - As apparently he did. Which means he needs to get back out there with my Green Tag on his time not mine.
 
e57 said:
What I did was 2b and later 1b after he used the words "reinspection".... "If I have the breaker on the truck - I'll change it , just to satisfy you - as there is no code that requires that."

If I had the breaker on the truck, I would have said to have him, "Before I throw this in - Help me explain to the customer why it is we need this here on this work-order... If you could also write the code number there, 'cause I need to charge them T&M for it..." Not having the breaker on the truck - he went for solution 2c - AKA "better talk to the boss." - As apparently he did. Which means he needs to get back out there with my Green Tag on his time not mine.

Like many here i will call an inspector down if i think he is wrong.Part of our required tools is the code book (very few seem to have it ).If he can site the code violation life gets easy as we both read it.If i get the old its in there someplace then i hand him my book.Usually we have good inspectors that can do there job.In this case we have a guy that has no buisness inspecting electrical work.Once they know you they will be carefull about what they pick on cause they know you will want the number.The jobs that get failed usually are the ones with nobody on the job.Would i give this guy a 2 pole breaker ? Not a chance ,not even if it was free and he offered to put it in.
 
The "inspector" needs to be replaced.

I have seen it the other way, where the inspectors were right ( one is still in the industry, and both are good electricians, enjoyed working with them) , and they went all the way to the halls of Congress to get the issue addressed, Some of the stuff really did get fixxed, others had a band=aid applied, some of it, just got "lost" in the system. Lots of gold ol' boy activity and ringing of hands. Below is a link to the story.

http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/17/Oil1.html
 
The problem today it that many jurisdictions do not want to hire "specialists", they are relying on combo inspectors for everything. Retired plumbers are doing commercial framing, retired framers are doing electrical, you get the point. Trust me you wouldn't want me inspecting your plumbing.

Many jurisdictions are simply relying on the fact that you have and ICBO cert and feeling that somehow that makes you qualified. I can't tell you how many contractors tell me what a pleasure it is to talk to someone that came out of the trade.

You need to get involved with your local inspectors and sometimes you need to train them, the good ones are willing to learn. Let your local Building Official know how you feel by writing a letter and maybe have others write one or send one with multiple signatures.

It's a growing trend to have combo inspectors so if you want to see a change you need to get involved.
 
John.............AMEN........ The more certs one achieves the less they know especially if they have never been a tradesmen or tradesperson. Too much to look at in a givin time. Anyone at any givin time can pass an exam.......In summary I disagree with combo inspectors...but municipalities due to budget, taxation, etc. feel they are getting more "bang for the buck" so to speak.

I have vented now I rest
 
Not saying NC doesn't have inspector problems, but Electrical Inspectors are required to pass exams in order to be certified as a Class I, II, or III Inspector. Furthermore, no individual can perform Electrical Inspections without one of these classifications of competency.


(b) No person may perform electrical inspections pursuant to this Part unless he has been certified as qualified by the Commissioner
of Insurance. To be certified a person must pass a written examination based on the electrical regulations included in the
latest edition of the State Building Code as filed with the Secretary of State. The examination shall be under the supervision of and
conducted according to rules and regulations prescribed by the Chief State Electrical Inspector or Engineer of the State Department
of Insurance and the Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors. It shall be held quarterly, in Raleigh or any other place
designated by the Chief State Electrical Inspector or Engineer.
The rules and regulations may provide for the certification of class I, class II, and class III inspectors, according to the results of
the examination. The examination shall be based on the type and character of electrical installations being made in the territory
in which the applicant wishes to serve as an electrical inspector. A class I inspector may serve anywhere in the State, but class II
and class III inspectors shall be limited to service in the territory for which they have qualified.
The Commissioner of Insurance shall issue a certificate to each person who passes the examination, approving the person for service
in a designated territory. To remain valid, a certificate must be renewed each January by payment of an annual renewal fee of
one dollar ($1.00). The examination fee shall be five dollars ($5.00).
If the person appointed by a county as electrical inspector fails to pass the examination, the county shall continue to make appointments
until an appointee has passed the examination. For the interim the Commissioner of Insurance may authorize the
county to use a temporary inspector.
The provisions of this subsection shall become void and ineffective on such date as the North Carolina Code Officials Qualification
Board certifies to the Secretary of State that it has placed in effect a certification system for electrical inspectors pursuant to
its authority granted by Article 9C of Chapter 143 of the General Statutes. (1937, c. 57; 1941, c. 105; 1947, c. 719; 1951, c. 651;
1953, c. 984; 1955, cc. 144, 942, 1171; 1957, cc. 415, 456, 1286, 1294; 1959, cc. 399, 940, 1031; 1961, cc. 763, 884, 1036; 1963, cc. 639,
868; 1965, cc. 243, 371, 453, 494, 846; 1967, cc. 45, 73, 113; c. 495, ss. 1, 3; 1969, cc. 675, 918; c. 1003, s. 7; c. 1010, s. 4; c. 1064, ss. 1,
4, 5; c. 1066, s. 1; 1973, c. 822, s. 1; 1977, c. 531, ss. 2, 3; 1991, c. 720, s. 77.)​
153A-351.1. Qualifications of inspectors. -​
On and after the applicable date set forth in the schedule in G.S. 153A-351, no county
shall employ an inspector to enforce the State Building Code as a member of a county or joint inspection department who does
not have one of the following types of certificates issued by the North Carolina Code Officials Qualification Board attesting to his
qualifications to hold such position: (i) a probationary certificate, valid for one year only; (ii) a standard certificate; or (iii) a limited
certificate, which shall be valid only as an authorization for him to continue in the position held on the date specified in G.S.
143-151.10(c) and which shall become invalid if he does not successfully complete in-service training prescribed by the Qualification
Board within the period specified in G.S. 143-151.10(c). An inspector holding one of the above certificates can be promoted
to a position requiring a higher level certificate only upon issuance by the Board of a standard certificate or probationary certificate
appropriate for such new position. (1977, c. 531, s. 4.)


Roger

 
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