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growler said:
Look closely at the way this is grounded. It looks to me as if there was plenty of ground to reach the ground bar originally. If he was going to just wrap it around a screw then why leave all that extra wire.
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Maybe there were no more terminals on the ground/neutral bar.

Even if it were too short, there's plenty of slack outside to make up for it.
 
Even if we assume the cable used to be attached to the house before a siding change how did the UF get to the tub?

Across the pavers?
 
iwire said:
Even if we assume the cable used to be attached to the house before a siding change how did the UF get to the tub?

Across the pavers?
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In pic 5 you can see rusty staple marks every foot or so.
 
iwire said:
Even if we assume the cable used to be attached to the house before a siding change how did the UF get to the tub?

Across the pavers?
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I don't know Bob.

There are possibilities. Once work is tampered with as I would assume in this instance it's hard to know what was originally done. They do make a cover that would allow the UF. Perhaps there was some sort of wood structure. If it was off the ground, protected and secured? It's really hard to say at this point. I don't care much for UF cable to start with.

How would you like if your work was put on display after being tampered with by the siding crew. I'm sure it wouldn't pass inspection.
 
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growler said:
I don't know Bob. For some reason at this time of the year I always like to give people a fair trial before the crucifixion. Then I wash my hands and nail them up.

There are possibilities. Once work is tampered with as I would assume in this instance it's hard to know what was originally done. They do make a cover that would allow the UF. Perhaps there was some sort of wood structure. If it was off the ground, protected and secured? It's really hard to say at this point. I don't care much for UF cable to start with.

How would you like if your work was put on display after being tampered with by the siding crew. I'm sure it wouldn't pass inspection.
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I do not see any humor in this post! I believe it should be removed from this thread. I am sure Mike would feel the same!! JMO?
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
No GFCI, and the UF was tacked at one time to the side of the house, Never underground.
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This proves a good point " you cant kill an idiot"
If any one of us "knowing better" tried something like this ,their would be people fighting over the insurance money:D :D
 
Pierre aren't you in New York? No snow?
Great pictures and I am teaching a class today I always promote the code forum if you don't mind I will show my students the pictures....
 
The guy who did that, and the person who paid for it are under the belief that proper electrical work is just glorified extension cords.

This is why all nominal voltages should be much higher and only phase to phase loads - both to save resources, and to give 'em a good jolt when they go nosing around where they shouldn't....:grin:
 
ItsHot said:
I do not see any humor in this post! I believe it should be removed from this thread. I am sure Mike would feel the same!! JMO?
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Not ment to be humorous. I only wish to state that it's not a good idea to judge without knowing all the facts. I believe in giving the benfit of a doubt.

We didn't see this work in it's original condition. UF is legal stapeled to the side of the house if rated for direct sun light and not exposed to physical damage.
 
acrwc10 said:
Are you saying that this is wrong ? Or are you commenting that the tub is not 6ft from the house ? I think we need JimW's in put on this if I remember correctly he is the local Hot Tub expert...:grin:
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I know of nothing saying it must me 6 feet from house.Do you ?
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
the UF was tacked at one time to the side of the house, Never underground.
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2005 NEC 340.12...UF cable uses not permitted
(9) where exposed to direct rays of the sun, unless identified as sunlight resistant.
(10) where exposed to physical damage.

If the cable were identified as sunlight resistant it could be legal stapled to the wall depending on the judgement call on physical damage.

I have seen A/C units connected with UF cable. It looks shoddy but I guess in certain areas the jugement call was for the UF.

I use seal tight myself because there are lot of weed eaters out there.
 
growler said:
2005 NEC 340.12...UF cable uses not permitted
(9) where exposed to direct rays of the sun, unless identified as sunlight resistant.
(10) where exposed to physical damage.

If the cable were identified as sunlight resistant it could be legal stapled to the wall depending on the judgement call on physical damage.

I have seen A/C units connected with UF cable. It looks shoddy but I guess in certain areas the jugement call was for the UF.

I use seal tight myself because there are lot of weed eaters out there.
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If it cant be exsposed it dont need to be sunlight protected.
 
stickboy1375 said:
I have to ask, where in the code can we even wire a hot tub with UF, never mind the missing straps, unprotected wire, and UV resistant...
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Where does it say that you can't? Even seal tight is not permitted where subject to physical damge.

What code reference would you use to red tag the job?

Just something to think about?
 
stickboy1375 said:
I have to ask, where in the code can we even wire a hot tub with UF,
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growler said:
Where does it say that you can't?
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680.42 sends you to Parts I and II of 680.

680.21(A)(1) requires the use of an insulated EGC, that rules out UF cable.

However 680.42(C) allows the use of a cable on the interior portion of the supply.

growler said:
UF is legal stapeled to the side of the house if rated for direct sun light and not exposed to physical damage.
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I certainly agree, but looking at the job in total I think it was a poor job to start with.

At any rate it is, as shown, very scary and I would not step foot in that tub.
 
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