Ice Vending Machine

[Chamuit]

210.8.D.5 - states that GFI protection shall be provided for the circuit or outlet. It does not say the machine has to have it.

210.8.B - states receptacles need GFI protection.

OP says he is going to use the manufacturer-supplied cord. @wmeek I would press the AHJ or inspector for an interpretation. I'd even ask the manufacturer how they satisfy these code sections (in writing.)

 

[jap]

210.8.D.5 - states that GFI protection shall be provided for the circuit or outlet. It does not say the machine has to have it.

210.8.B - states receptacles need GFI protection.

OP says he is going to use the manufacturer-supplied cord. @wmeek I would press the AHJ or inspector for an interpretation. I'd even ask the manufacturer how they satisfy these code sections (in writing.)

Me too.

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[wmeek]

I talked to the manufacturer and they said it had protection built in, but cannot find any wiring diagrams or data to support that info. So if it does have its own protection can I just install standard breaker and move on.
I will reach out to customer who purchased machine and see if he has anything in his Manuals.

 

[Chamuit]

I would say no because that does not satisfy the code requirements, which you must abide by and should be enforced by the AHJ.

 

[wmeek]

I agree. After i sent that post i realized what i had said and was going to remove it but got on a phone call and time ran out on me to delete that post

 

[wmeek]

So I am having a difficult time getting Inspector to call me back on this. So if i was to install a 2p30A GE GFCI breaker in Main panel and run 3#10 Thhn to the outside into a Disconnect and then run a conduit over to machine to a jbox and then use cord supplied on machine an connect to jbox. They tell me it will trip unless I use a GFCI Breaker with select current sensor sensitivity of 200mA, and not<0.1 second detection to avoid nuisance tripping.
Does anyone know if that is possible to do. Im gona reach out to GE to see if they can accomadate this. Any thoughts will be appreciated. I will also talk with Everest people as well

 

[wmeek]

I talked with GE and they make a GFCI Breaker with 5mA for personal protection, and a GFCI Breaker with 30mA for equipment protection but nothing close to 200mA as requested by the Everest Company.

 

[jap]

Don't let the fear of a circuit tripping keep you from installing something per the code.

If unsure of what the code requirement is, get ahold of the local Inspector for some guidance.

If he knows his stuff, this should be a short conversation.


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[wmeek]

Talked to inspector and he said I will need GFCI protection for the application. I also talked to Everest Company and they found me a GFI Breaker that has earth leakage sensitivity of 300mA which will work on this VFD machine. Can I come off the load side of a 2p30 Standard breaker in loadcenter to a single Breaker enclosure that will house this Multi9 GFP 2p40A breaker from Schnieder Electric and then to equipment. I appreciate everyone that has been in on this conversation.

M9R84240
Residual current circuit breaker (RCCB), Multi9 GFP, 2P, 40A, A-SI type, 300mA

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mini Kaedra - for modular device - 1 openings - 3 modules

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[LarryFine]

Perhaps consider installing the GFCI at the load end instead of the panel end of at the panel.

 

[wmeek]

I am having to install the GFCI breaker approx 5ft from Loadcenter inside the building then going outside thru wall to a non fused disconnect and the to equipment.

 

[LarryFine]

I am having to install the GFCI breaker approx 5ft from Loadcenter inside the building then going outside thru wall to a non fused disconnect and the to equipment.

Understood. I didn't realize the run was that short.

 

[wmeek]

No problem I appreciate all the help

 

[jap]

My question is the GFCI protection needed 5ma to satisfy the NEC?

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[jap]

Let me re-phrase that.

How does a 300ma GFI protection device for the equipment satisfy the NEC GFI requirement for this install?

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[wmeek]

I dont feel it is. Im thinking the Manufacturer here has a machine that cant meet the NEC requirements and operate correctly. I feel this machine is operating on a 2p30A standard breaker where they are out in Public places.

 

[Chamuit]

Let me re-phrase that.

How does a 300ma GFI protection device for the equipment satisfy the NEC GFI requirement for this install?

JAP>

It does not.

422.5.A says Class A. Informational note refers to UL 943 and the 4mA bottom and 6mA top thresholds.

 

[Chamuit]

@wmeek Ask the manufacturer for the NRTL listing documentation.

 

[jap]

It does not.

422.5.A says Class A. Informational note refers to UL 943 and the 4mA bottom and 6mA top thresholds.

My whole point.

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[wmeek]

(@wmeek Ask the manufacturer for the NRTL listing documentation.)


I reached out to my customer for them to get this info but I havent heard back from them. I want to thank everyone that has responded back on this . Hopefully I get this Info