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Originally posted by a.wayne3@verizon.net:
with the amount of in use covers we use a year that few $ would add up to thousands and thousands with residential being so competitive that is a formula for disaster.arc fault breakers are bad enough never mind added cost of metal in use covers.
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Don't you make money on the stock you install?

You competitors have to buy these same products.
 
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Bob the type of constuction Allen is in depends on volume and low price.They could make as little as $100 per house above cost and come out rich.They win bids because a small company would not even try to bid againt them.They only need installers not electricians.No journeymans license even required on the job.They have a few top men like Allen to go behind and fix any violations or problems.So this is not about normal markup.Saving even $1 per house is thousands of $$$$$
 
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Thank you jim actually on a base price we average about $250.00 to $350.00 a home,where we make our money is in extras and changes after drywall.It`s a gruling task to feed the money monster of our company but have been in business since 1961 so something is working.We work to cut our costs daily,production is the key and yes Myself and the other 8 supers are the key to getting the job done.Sometimes I wish I was back in a small 3 truck operation.But here I am and here I`ll stay.With an estimated 2,500 + homes this year try to keep up.There are not enough qualified electricians,as Jim said we have installers and that is what they are.Rough crews who if had to trim out what they installed would be lost.Visa versa for trim crews :eek:
 
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Allen basically your profit is the discount on materials.For what small companies pay just for materials alone your able to cover most of the labor and materials.Don't rush off to think smaller is better.Small usually means old worn out trucks,fewer tools and higher work load.I can imagine some of the problems you must face daily.Hope your well payed because your taking all the headaches while the owners make the money.
 
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Jim you are correct in the scense that we do have a lower material cost than allot of EC`S in this area but the money we need to survive and be profitable is from extras over base pricing.After drywall extras take it 4x, factor in 2,500 + homes/year = a huge hunk of cash.As far as pay goes I`m not getting rich but it`s ok as florida pay scale goes.Does it offset the headache well sometimes I wonder :D
 
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The extras are the real money.Once they hire us they can't go to anyone else.One of the buildouts we are doing now has already changed prints twice in less than a month.I am a lot happier doing commercial not near the push for speed as there is in residential.
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
Once they hire us they can't go to anyone else.
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This might be a FL thing but usually there is nothing stopping the customer from hiring someone else.
 
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ok first if they hire someone else for the changes they will need a new permit as they cant work under ours.They also void any warranty.What EC would want involved in such a mess as this would create and take on liability.Also they would be breaking there contract with the first company.Now if they care to hire someone else to add things after we are finished thats fine.
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
ok first if they hire someone else for the changes they will need a new permit as they cant work under ours.
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Yes, the same applies here.

Originally posted by jimwalker:
They also void any warranty.
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Here that would be against the law, we are still responsible for work by us.

The work by others will be that ECs problem.
 
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I agree, these things are becoming overbearing. I had a final on a house the other day in Will Co. Illinois. I got a red tag for not having an in use cover next to the water/drain in the laundry room, but was able to use the traditional flip covers outside. I understand that all outlets in commercial kitchens will be subject to this also...........
 
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Must be a Florida thing we have taken over permits from other E.C`S and take over the warranty with it.Also have had a few permits taken over from us and when a warranty isuue came up "pound sand" :D
 
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Ovious problems involved.Customer/homeowner has problems,arc fault,gfci,dead outlet,triping breaker,just who do they call to fix it ?
The very few we ever took over were for a trim and with contract stating no warranty from us on others work.GC would have to pick up the bill.
Usually the EC that starts a job finishes it even if there breaking away from that GC.
And if this is a rough and we are still there ,others better not even think of moving or adding anything. :mad: :mad:
 
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Jim even if you have a home that you wired and another EC takes out a new permit,once they are the permitted EC it`s on their shoulders...In one sub division we have 1,000 homes the original EC that did the models that were commercial CO`S said get bent when it came time to change over to residential CO.when project was done. Today secratary called and asked if a service call to one of these same models was billable,our system had no history so I told her to call warranty and get a PO and we will go there so as far as I am concerned we have a liability that goes only so far.
 
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Allen i neven knowed there was a differance in CO for a house used as a model.When we did this in Naples no change over was required as far as i know.What could be differant as far as how they wired a model ? :confused:
 
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Thinking back the only house i have wired since in Tampa area fell under City of Tampa and was a town house unit used to sell the other 39.I wired it identical to the other 39 units.Most of the other builders used houses under cunstruction to show customers so they really were not models other than a $700,000 unit on bay shore.Just what would be differant in a model? and if your company did not wire the model then just how could you be liable ?

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1st there is no actual difference in the wiring of the actual building.Just the classification as it was being used as a model and not an actual residence.As a model it was under a commercial CO had to become listed as a residence.Stupid IMHO yes but that is what had to be done.Didn`t have to change a thing but pay the permit fee and go throught the steps.As far as warranty goes we took over the permit but not the liability so any warranty calls are an extra.Original EC negateted themselves by pulling out but we were not legally required to take over the liability.Just a question,when did we have to become lawyers to wire a home ???Boy things have changed....
 
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Jim and Verizon totally agree with you we are down in south broward same junk down here. Biggest problem is going into homes that gcs decided to wire themselves what horrors typical florida construction furring strips on outside walls, romex in commercial buildings.
Rough crews who don't know jack. same old same old. Florida is a trip too many greedy gcs too foolish to call a electrican. We do not build new repair/service work only x amount per hour period.
Appreciate both you florida guys keep up the good posts. :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
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