In Wall RX splice kits

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eljefetaco

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I have a customer who is demanding her previously installed ktchen outlets and switches be mounted under the kitchen cabinets. I will be under the 20" requirement; however I do not know the reliabilty of the Tyco in wall splice kits. Re-fishing the wires and gfci breaker plug mold are out of the question. Any thoughts, I don't think I would do it at my house. I think they are called AMP splice kits
 
eljefetaco said:
I have a customer who is demanding her previously installed ktchen outlets and switches be mounted under the kitchen cabinets. I will be under the 20" requirement; however I do not know the reliabilty of the Tyco in wall splice kits. Re-fishing the wires and gfci breaker plug mold are out of the question. Any thoughts, I don't think I would do it at my house. I think they are called AMP splice kits
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I was told about a "Westinghouse" splice <sp>. Where you twist the wires together like they did the old knob and tube and then solder it together.

I have never done this because I always fine a way to fish wires.
 
eljefetaco said:
I have a customer who is demanding her previously installed ktchen outlets and switches be mounted under the kitchen cabinets. I will be under the 20" requirement; however I do not know the reliabilty of the Tyco in wall splice kits. Re-fishing the wires and gfci breaker plug mold are out of the question. Any thoughts, I don't think I would do it at my house. I think they are called AMP splice kits
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I would not trust them. I did bury one in my own house, but it was for a 3-way switch with the load of 65 watts.
 
eljefetaco said:
I have a customer who is demanding her previously installed ktchen outlets and switches be mounted under the kitchen cabinets. I will be under the 20" requirement; however I do not know the reliabilty of the Tyco in wall splice kits. Re-fishing the wires and gfci breaker plug mold are out of the question. Any thoughts, I don't think I would do it at my house. I think they are called AMP splice kits
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Was it in the specs ? If not start tearing out drywall and charge away.If its your goof then go for whats legal and hope it makes a year.
 
It may be possible to get a hold of the wire inside of the cabinet and pull it down and make a junction box then feed back up to the cabinets. How gung ho were you on the strapping?
 
eljefetaco said:
I have a customer who is demanding her previously installed ktchen outlets and switches be mounted under the kitchen cabinets. I will be under the 20" requirement; however I do not know the reliabilty of the Tyco in wall splice kits. Re-fishing the wires and gfci breaker plug mold are out of the question. Any thoughts, I don't think I would do it at my house. I think they are called AMP splice kits
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Before we venture into the realm of the splice kits....

Is the customer justified in this "demand"?



Onto the kits...
Here are a few threads on this forum and others:

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=84492&highlight=Junction+Connector
http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=92003&highlight=334.40
http://www.contractortalk.com/showthread.php?t=30448
http://www.electricalknowledge.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6037


I would check with the AHJ before committing to using these things.
 
aftershock said:
I was told about a "Westinghouse" splice <sp>. Where you twist the wires together like they did the old knob and tube and then solder it together.
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I do not believe a Westinghouse splice would be legal: 300.15 [2005 NEC which NJ is under]

I thought a "Westinghouse" was generally reserved for repairing lamp cords?
 
quogueelectric said:
I think the term is western union splice. http://www.markhellerelectric.com/solder.pdf
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I think you're right :smile:

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I don't trust em'. To me, these in wall splices are much more likely to fail than good old wirenuts w/ pre-twisted wires and taped up nice. The ones I've seen make me wonder what the testing and listing process actually is.
 
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I am the new guy because the old electrician had enough I suppose. The cabinets are in, the basement is finished and short of riping out a ceiling or using conduit on the outside of the house I am stuck. I'll let you know how they work out. They are rated for 20amp use. Maybe and arc fault breaker might be wise?!
 
eljefetaco said:
I am the new guy because the old electrician had enough I suppose. The cabinets are in, the basement is finished and short of riping out a ceiling or using conduit on the outside of the house I am stuck.
I'll let you know how they work out. They are rated for 20amp use.
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How's that going to work out?
Won't there be a hole where the AMP is placed....where the existing box is?
Someone's gotta patch them holes.

Sheet rock is cheap....cut a trench in the rock exposing the wiring and move it....either down into a new box or into the upper cabinets in another box and blank it off.

I would SERIOUSLY check with the AHJ before you commit to using these things.

eljefetaco said:
Maybe and arc fault breaker might be wise?!
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Will an AFCI work in tandem with a GFCI?

I dunno...210.12(B) is "optional" here in NJ under the '05 NEC ~ I get all my information from the forum memebers.
 
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celtic said:
Will an AFCI work in tandem with a GFCI?

I dunno...210.12(B) is "optional" here in NJ under the '05 NEC ~ I get all my information from the forum members.
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Yes, they will. I've put GFCI receptacles on AFCI protected circuits often enough, with no problems. (Bedroom wet bars, for instance.)
 
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