Industrial Project

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Wow, with that sour attitude at home playing on the computer all day... and you wonder what happed to your market share. I guess that's our fault to huh?

I work nights. Lots of free time to play all day. Or do sidework. :wink:

 

[ITO]

One of the finer points some people seem to miss is we are in the same boat, your market share is mine too, what bad things happen to me, happen to you, and vies-versa. Complain all you want, pepper these forums with your sour comments and robber barren rhetoric all you like, but none of that will make either of our mutual situations better and it only serves to widen a divide that is at the root of why we both are in this shrinking boat watching good work go the other way. Across the board, in almost every market in this country, market share is an issue for people like us…think about it.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Now who has the sour attitude?

 

[tonyou812]

Yes, it's a sad testement as our great nation inches deeper and deeper back towards a robber baron society.

It almost seems like its human nature to abuse power. Im sure there are unions that are good and really work but many of them seem to be going down. The whole US auto industry is going down the tubes. GM is being choked by its own system. I guess when you pay a guy $60 dollars an hour for pushing a broom and a retirement package with lifetime health bennies as a company your really not getting your bang for your buck.

And how many guys in Electrical Union in Jersey are ridding the bench? I bet there gonna milk that "Zanadu" Project for all its worth. Im not really a big fan of the big Union anyway. A few years ago my boss got a project that they thought was going to be theirs. So after we started the project they showed up with their big rat and started harrassing us. We had to all meet at the shop and take a van together cause things started to happen to our personal vehicles. Then one night they payed us a visit by slashing the tires of 5 trucks (box vans) and broke all the windows. There kind of like home grown terrorist.

So my boss was finally "forced" to agree to hire some of these guys to appease the big wigs so they would stop with the "shock and Aw". And that was when the real fun started. Material went missing, tools droped from great heights, all sorts of things. Id be shocked if the old man made any money on that project.

(And three, two, one).............counting down till Iwire edits this post so read quickly guys...........the master of propoganda is about to do his evil work..........That one was for you Dennis

 

[jrannis]

That may have had some truth to it years ago, along with the myth that only union shops were able to do quality work, but I have seen many big jobs taken away from me by open shops, done successfully with quality workmanship.

IBEW in Dallas is down to 3% market share...open shops do the rest of the work... which means most of the big jobs are non-union.

Maybe in Texas things are like that.
In the industrial NE and other producing areas, it might not be wise to step on the big guys toes. Those areas need that type of infastructure. I see a factor such as access to a well trained local and national labor pool as still being something of value.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

It almost seems like its human nature to abuse power. Im sure there are unions that are good and really work but many of them seem to be going down. The whole US auto industry is going down the tubes. GM is being choked by its own system. I guess when you pay a guy $60 dollars an hour for pushing a broom and a retirement package with lifetime health bennies as a company your really not getting your bang for your buck.

I doubt GM is paying anyone $60.00 for pushing a broom. For the likes of Ford, GM, etc, if they can't pay livable wages, why should they be able to stay in business? I'm pricing a new Ford. $35,000 for an F-150. A New Caddy costs $60,000.00. If they're not making money, something is very wrong.

Even a contractor has to admit, there isn't much of a motive for the CEO's of these corporations to make positive changes when they're going to make their contracted salaries, stock options (even retroactive) and balloon retirements no matter how the company performs.

 

[iwire]

Thank to all the members that tried to answer the OPs question, this thread ran a while without getting of track.

Now that OP has gotten his answer and the thread has turned more political in nature it is time to close.

You all are more them welcome to continue the conversation via PMs.