Infinite Resistance
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crossman
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Re: Infinite Resistance
Disclaimer: I do not know a darn thing about the following. Please forgive my rambling.
I was thinking more along the lines of the quantum nature of current flow and voltage. Either formula will be incorrect at certain extremely small values and certain extremely large values of the given quantities.
I am just speculating here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing perhaps? I would be glad to discuss it with you or anyone else for that matter though. I just might learn something!
Is it possible in reality for the current flow (in amps) in a circuit to be equal to any rational number from (and including zero) to (but excluding) infinity as predicted by Ohm's Law?
Same question but concerning voltage? (The voltage question does not seem to me to be a valid example of Ohm's Law failing when dealing with nature because the voltage is the "mover" not the "movee."
Is it possible for 1/2 of an electron to flow?
Is infinite resistance or zero conductance possible in the first place?
Does the internal resistance of the source need to be factored in? The answer is (obviously) yes, and I realize that the resistance or conductance in whichever form of Ohm's Law you use can include this quantity...
But does the internal resistance of a source take care of the situation where a 1.5 v D cell battery with a .05 ohm resistance placed across it cannot possibly produce the number of amps predicted by Ohm's Law? (note: The internal resistance just may take care of this. I have never seen any literature or discussion of the subject. Anyone?)
The above question could also relate to the available short circuit currents of small transformers and large transformers with equal voltage outputs and similar %Z. (although maybe Ohm's Law usage here would need to have the conductance equal to 1 divided by impedance)
And on a related note:
Is space all smooth and uniform and infinitely divisible? Or is it a quantum entity?
Same question for time...
I have been looking for the solution to Zeno's paradox ever since a long time ago, but have never found anyone who knows any more about it than I do.
Zeno's paradox is similar to the "rock cannot hit the window" paradox.
The ds/dt = 0 argument doesn't hold for me because ds/dt may have a limit of zero but it never actually equals it... unless time or space or both are quantum entities.
I have many thoughts, but nary a clue
Disclaimer: I do not know a darn thing about the following. Please forgive my rambling.
I was thinking more along the lines of the quantum nature of current flow and voltage. Either formula will be incorrect at certain extremely small values and certain extremely large values of the given quantities.
I am just speculating here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing perhaps? I would be glad to discuss it with you or anyone else for that matter though. I just might learn something!
Is it possible in reality for the current flow (in amps) in a circuit to be equal to any rational number from (and including zero) to (but excluding) infinity as predicted by Ohm's Law?
Same question but concerning voltage? (The voltage question does not seem to me to be a valid example of Ohm's Law failing when dealing with nature because the voltage is the "mover" not the "movee."
Is it possible for 1/2 of an electron to flow?
Is infinite resistance or zero conductance possible in the first place?
Does the internal resistance of the source need to be factored in? The answer is (obviously) yes, and I realize that the resistance or conductance in whichever form of Ohm's Law you use can include this quantity...
But does the internal resistance of a source take care of the situation where a 1.5 v D cell battery with a .05 ohm resistance placed across it cannot possibly produce the number of amps predicted by Ohm's Law? (note: The internal resistance just may take care of this. I have never seen any literature or discussion of the subject. Anyone?)
The above question could also relate to the available short circuit currents of small transformers and large transformers with equal voltage outputs and similar %Z. (although maybe Ohm's Law usage here would need to have the conductance equal to 1 divided by impedance)
And on a related note:
Is space all smooth and uniform and infinitely divisible? Or is it a quantum entity?
Same question for time...
I have been looking for the solution to Zeno's paradox ever since a long time ago, but have never found anyone who knows any more about it than I do.
Zeno's paradox is similar to the "rock cannot hit the window" paradox.
The ds/dt = 0 argument doesn't hold for me because ds/dt may have a limit of zero but it never actually equals it... unless time or space or both are quantum entities.
I have many thoughts, but nary a clue
crossman
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Re: Infinite Resistance
Also, concerning 1/R = conductance, and then saying that 1/infinity = zero, is this really true? The limit of 1/R as R approached infinity certainly has a limit of zero but it does not actually ever equal zero as was evidenced in the graph of y = 1/x somewhere in the thread above.
I'm not even sure why I wrote that. Somebody said the conductance was zero?
Gee I'm tired tonight. But that has always seemed to bring out the rambling in me.
I realize that to expect answers and discussion of this, I should not have flooded them all into the little space above.
6.02214199 ? 10^23 apologies
[ January 07, 2005, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: crossman ]
Also, concerning 1/R = conductance, and then saying that 1/infinity = zero, is this really true? The limit of 1/R as R approached infinity certainly has a limit of zero but it does not actually ever equal zero as was evidenced in the graph of y = 1/x somewhere in the thread above.
I'm not even sure why I wrote that. Somebody said the conductance was zero?
Gee I'm tired tonight. But that has always seemed to bring out the rambling in me.
I realize that to expect answers and discussion of this, I should not have flooded them all into the little space above.
6.02214199 ? 10^23 apologies
[ January 07, 2005, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: crossman ]
crossman
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Re: Infinite Resistance
Just thought of something else. Maybe resistance (conductance) is quantum and the whole thing works after all. But even so, I still think it possible to have a real voltage and a real resistance and an impossible current predicted by ohm's law.
Just thought of something else. Maybe resistance (conductance) is quantum and the whole thing works after all. But even so, I still think it possible to have a real voltage and a real resistance and an impossible current predicted by ohm's law.
Re: Infinite Resistance
1/2 of an electron... unbelievably profound, lol.
perhaps not only is space not infinitely divisible but time as well...Originally posted by crossman:
Is it possible for 1/2 of an electron to flow?
...
Is space all smooth and uniform and infinitely divisible? Or is it a quantum entity?
1/2 of an electron... unbelievably profound, lol.
physis
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Re: Infinite Resistance
I think quarks are just the result of hitting a subatomic particle with a fly swatter. Just like a bead of mercury. You can name every last newly formed bead if you want. I think what you have is different size kinks in space time. They'll either come back together or dissipate into the continuum.
Edit: Think of a steel wire. if you're pulling on both ends, you need a full 180? for the kink to take. Otherwise you've added tortion to the wire but there's no manifested kink. But the less than 180? spin is still in the wire.
[ January 08, 2005, 07:19 AM: Message edited by: physis ]
I think quarks are just the result of hitting a subatomic particle with a fly swatter. Just like a bead of mercury. You can name every last newly formed bead if you want. I think what you have is different size kinks in space time. They'll either come back together or dissipate into the continuum.
Edit: Think of a steel wire. if you're pulling on both ends, you need a full 180? for the kink to take. Otherwise you've added tortion to the wire but there's no manifested kink. But the less than 180? spin is still in the wire.
[ January 08, 2005, 07:19 AM: Message edited by: physis ]
bphgravity
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Re: Infinite Resistance
I don't believe there is any eveidence that electrons move at all. At least not linearly.
[ January 09, 2005, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: bphgravity ]
I don't believe there is any eveidence that electrons move at all. At least not linearly.
[ January 09, 2005, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: bphgravity ]
crossman
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Re: Infinite Resistance
Now, back to the limited source question. Does the internal resistance in a source account for its inability to push as many amps as Ohm's Law would imply?
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Now, back to the limited source question. Does the internal resistance in a source account for its inability to push as many amps as Ohm's Law would imply?
bphgravity
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Re: Infinite Resistance
A circuit is a complete path over which an electric current can flow.
A circuit is a complete path over which an electric current can flow.
bphgravity
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Re: Infinite Resistance
I recall circuit being derived from the latin word circus or circulus meaning racetrack or circle circuit. It may have a relation to the word kyklos which is ancient Greek for wheel circle.
A further stretch is that the word circuit derives from the greek word kyriakon which means "of the lord" and a derivitive of kyklos as stated above, which symbolized the gathering of a congregation into a circle. This history of circuit is closely related to the word church.
I recall circuit being derived from the latin word circus or circulus meaning racetrack or circle circuit. It may have a relation to the word kyklos which is ancient Greek for wheel circle.
A further stretch is that the word circuit derives from the greek word kyriakon which means "of the lord" and a derivitive of kyklos as stated above, which symbolized the gathering of a congregation into a circle. This history of circuit is closely related to the word church.
al hildenbrand
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Re: Infinite Resistance
To paraphrase a former First Gentleman, I submit, "It depends upon what the definition of 'mean' means."
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