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It seems to me if we wire it they should inspect it. Once had an inspector that would not climb more than one floor of stairs. No elevator for a lift up he would just pass it.
 
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let's get it out there ,i worked for a contractor back in 1981 ,custom electric to be exact ,my boss don deadmond said to wire a receptacle straight from the 240v. exo for the package a/c unit.If the inspector had climbed the ladder on to the roof he would have noticed the outlet got it's power from L1 for hot side of outlet , and used ground as his return .........talk about non code compliant......all about saving a penny??????
 
I'll do ladders but if it's drywall covered, it's coming down. During the construction rush 2 years ago, it was like the wild west here in Florida. Any warm body off the street was called an electrican and it showed.
 
JES2727 said:
Several years ago I was on a big industrial job that required the usual safety measures : hard-hat, safety glasses, gloves, etc. And they meant it. They'd fire guys in an instant for not complying. One day the inspector shows up for a rough inspection and he's wearing shorts. They sent him away, and he left a red sticker on the gate when he left. Suddenly they could make certain exceptions to the safety policy, and when he came back the next day in shorts again, they welcomed him right in.
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And just why should he be osha excepted ? You took the job knowing whats out there.Tag me for this and i am going after your your job.Either your man enough or not.If not apply at mc donalds.I have a RTU unit coming up in few days.Has build in ladder,its still a half mile trip.He either trusts me or or not.I have no reason to cheat.I totally redid the job myself because it didnt pass my own inspection (my mistake in letting a unqualified man do the job.I never have a problem being inspected. I am paid to get it done right.Never been told to break a code.When i do its because i simply didnt know i did.
Sometimes its a rough place to inspect. Never had an inspector want me to take him up 40 feet to inspect a pole light,why not ?
 
Do it order.

Do it order.

Isn't construction supposed to be done in a certain order? And, coincidentally inspected in a certain order?

My favorite job was one that the "builder/real estate agent/foreman/on-sight coordinator" sheet-rocked the house and new addition just after we had roughed it. The mechanical wasn't ready/done. The plumbing wasn't ready/done. He called for inspection. We had showed up for a change when the inspector showed. She grabbed a hammer and started pounding holes in the rock so she could see things. Yowzers!
 
Cavie said:
I'll do ladders but if it's drywall covered, it's coming down. During the construction rush 2 years ago, it was like the wild west here in Florida. .
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I agree with that. Drywall goes up and ceiling goes in AFTER concealment inspection.
 
Chamuit said:
Isn't construction supposed to be done in a certain order? And, coincidentally inspected in a certain order?

My favorite job was one that the "builder/real estate agent/foreman/on-sight coordinator" sheet-rocked the house and new addition just after we had roughed it. The mechanical wasn't ready/done. The plumbing wasn't ready/done. He called for inspection. We had showed up for a change when the inspector showed. She grabbed a hammer and started pounding holes in the rock so she could see things. Yowzers!
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She had every right to say take it all down and if it was me you would.
 
I just recently had a ceiling inspection.The day before the inspection the
GC allowed the ceiling guys to install "Borders" in order to stay on sched.
I told the ceiling guys to stop putting in tiles due to a ceiling inspection
the next day.The response I got from the ceiling guy was,"The inspector
only wants to see that the fixtures are supported and screwed in."
I disagreed and i am not going to argue with the ceiling guy. I told the GC,
"You're putting in too much tile,inspection is tommorrow." The GC responds,
"All the inspector wants to see is that the fixtures are supported and
screwed in." Once again I disagreed and I'm not going to argue with a GC.
the next day the inspector shows and 60% of the tile was installed.
I simply say,"You're gonna love this!" Anyway, the GC gets a 5 minute
lesson on a ceiling inspection and the next day 100% of tile was removed
ceiling inspection passes.The GC and the Ceiling guys are one day behind on
ceiling cover up. Good Times!!! for me. lol

No the Inspector should'nt have to get on a ladder for a ceiling cover.
Roof yes.If an inspector would'nt walk up more than one flight
of stairs.Then that's when I'm calling the Head inspector and making
a complaint.
 
out of respect for the Inspector doing HIS job.. I make sure nothing is closed up until rough is completed. One builder couldn't wait and closed the walls.. I told Inspector to fail the Inspection. He had to take down one side of every wall. I finished the job and told Mr. Builder to find another electrician.
 
GC's always want to break the rules no matter what they are if they can save money or go faster. To all the inspectors on this forum fail them for cover and insulation if you show up for a rough inspection. Make them take it down. It makes our job as a EC harder when the insulator is covering your wiring right behind you or the rockers are right on top of you.
 
I'm glad to see that most of us are on the same page on this topic.When I tell the GC to remove the Insulation,sheetrock,ceiling tile they allways say that they have never had to do that before and I just say theres a first time for everything. It looks like it is being called the same from coast to coast.:D
 
mpd said:
did you read my post, a little mud no problem, i said if the site is a mess, red sticker at the road, not every inspection i do during the day is a construction site
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You don't have rubber boots?
 
mdshunk said:
The wiring is not concealed if there are suspended ceiling tiles in place. It's just harder to inspect now.
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Says the guy from PA. :smile:

I can tell you without question in MA and RI no tiles (OK the 'cuts' may go in) go in without a ceiling inspection or the GC will be pulling them back out.

It is up to each area how inspections are handled.
 
I defy anyone to find me any rule that has the force of law that would require all the tile to be removed for inspection if you can otherwise climb a ladder and look up there. Do they require the second floor deck to be removed to inspect the 2nd floor wiring from the ground floor? Certainly not.
 
mdshunk said:
I defy anyone to find me any rule that has the force of law that would require all the tile to be removed for inspection if you can otherwise climb a ladder and look up there. Do they require the second floor deck to be removed to inspect the 2nd floor wiring from the ground floor? Certainly not.
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Sorry Marc, you wrong on this one.
 
iwire said:
Sorry Marc, you wrong on this one.
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I'm more than willing to be wrong on this one. I'll add it to the next volume in the set of ledgers of all the stuff I've been wrong about before. I'd just like proof, is all. I really don't think there is any.
 
Massachusetts Electrical Code

Rule 10

Electrical installations shall not be concealed or covered from view until inspected by the inspector of wires within and not more than 24 hours for exterior excavations nor more than 72 hours for interior installations after proper notice to the inspector, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays excluded.
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You can try to split hairs on what "covered from view" means but around her that means no ceiling tiles, no insulation in the walls, no dirt in the trench etc.
 
mdshunk said:
Where I'm at, there's no legal requirement that any special jobsite access provisions be in place. If I could get there to wire it, the inspector needs to figure out a way to get in there to inspect it. How he does that is his problem, not mine. If he doesn't want to get his shoes muddy, shirt dirty, or is too much of a pansy to climb a ladder, then maybe he should figure out a different line of work. "Please pull forward to the first window", as one possible idea.
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This is a broad statement to make. Would you climb a 40' ladder in a windstorm to make an inspection just because somebody could get there to wire it? Or a 1000' tower?
 
JES2727 said:
Several years ago I was on a big industrial job that required the usual safety measures : hard-hat, safety glasses, gloves, etc. And they meant it. They'd fire guys in an instant for not complying. One day the inspector shows up for a rough inspection and he's wearing shorts. They sent him away, and he left a red sticker on the gate when he left. Suddenly they could make certain exceptions to the safety policy, and when he came back the next day in shorts again, they welcomed him right in.
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Not me. I have no problem following on-site safety rules. It is simple respect. If I expect ypu tp follow my rules (the Code) then I have no problem following your rules (OSHA)

The inspector in question was abusing his authority.
 
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